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Final information on the now closed dispute between Oasis and Posters Paradise. For the party concerned govern yourself accordingly.

Posted by Management @ 17:33 on July 26, 2014  
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Dear Oasis Members,

We know that many of you are weary and so are we of what has been an ongoing war of words with Fullgoldcrown and AuDept of the old Poster’s Paradise.
We need to make you aware that we have been unable to resolve this issue. We want you to know why and how things have progressed to what we thought was an amicable settlement, has now broken down.
We need to make it clear that we demanded nothing and were willing to accept Fullgoldcrowns and AuDept’s proposed settlement. Now they have reneged on their proposal.

We intend to put this to bed and move on. Here is a complete chronology of events as they’ve transpired.
As Oasis/Poster’s Paradise posters and members who have contributed mightily with time and especially financial donations to Posters Paradise. We believe it is your right to know.

Thank you

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From: ian-ipso facto
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:03 PM
To: gary-fullgoldcrown ; John-wanka ; jim-floridagold; Tony-buygold
Subject: RE: response to letter
Hi Gary

I think you got off track somewhere. John and all of us did accept your letter and I thought we were in the process of making peace.

I’m a bit confused as of now. This email from you is quite a surprise.

Ian


From: gary
To: ian
Subject: RE: response to letter
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:54:15 -0400

Good Evening Ian

When John refused my peace offer . He did me a huge favour .

When he then accepted on the condition he posts more character debauching

material he did me a bigger favour.

Peace is off the table


I am seeking advice as to my rights as owner of the Goldtent.com / net / org domains since 2006

and my rights as owner of the Servers upon which Goldtent was built and hosted

since 2006 .

There are many serious issues here including but not limited to:

1…Intellectual Property Rights

2….Proprietary email lists

3….Defamation of Character / Libel

I will be needing your last Name Ian please
I know Jim to be Jim xxxxx Nashville Tenn
and John to be John xxxxx Key West Florida
tia
Gary
PS…I speak for myself here only




From: ian
To: gary
Subject: response to letter
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:14:37 -0500

Good morning Gary

Are you going to make a response to John’s letter to you?

Ian

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‘ACCEPTANCE OF SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTE’
“We the management at oasis, have accepted a magnanimous gesture from Fullgoldcrown and Audept to finalize and settle the dispute between their Rambus/Posters Paradise site and our Oasis site. They have generously offered to pay the entire tent-a-thon 2014 costs of $593 this being a most gracious offering of friendship of which we accept as a token of goodwill between their Rambus/Posters Paradise website and our Oasis website.”
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From:John
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:02 AM
To:Gary ; Todd
Cc:Ian ; JIM ; Tony ; Weston
Subject: ACCEPTANCE OF SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTE
Hi Gary,
After speaking with my Oasis partners, a vote was taken and we have agreed to accept youroffer for reimbursement, and hope that we can put this all behind us. Payment of $593 for the set up of the new Oasis as you suggested, and any payment for server changes for this year which we anticipate there should be none since we have free use of our webmaster’s servers.
We intend to post on the Oasis the e-mail correspondence Jim sent to you and your email which you sent to John with regard to this understanding and would encourage you do the same at Posters Paradise. We appreciate your listening and thank you for stepping up and doing what you consider to be fair to everyone who participated at Posters Paradise.
Further, we will post your acceptance in the ‘tent-a-thon for 2014 in the sidebar highlighting your generosity in this matter in paying the initial costs of $593 therefore helping each and every poster who would have otherwise made their donation.
We look forward to Oasis continuing to grow as there are many committed posters and friendships that have developed over the years.
Thank You,
John
for Jim, Ian and Tony
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From:Gary and Todd
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:20 PM
To: John
Subject: Dear John
I thought that title would get your attention

Gary (aka Fullgoldcrown) here

……………………….

Jim ( Floridagold ) sent me a letter and actually woke me up

I have been so busy defending myself that I haven’t been listening

Thank Jim for making me listen

I spoke with Todd and we both agree that it was wrong for us to think we could mix

a Pay Site with a Free Site …

Not only do we agree but we are asking ourselves

how it was possible for two smart guys like us…to think otherwise

We have done some quiet reflection tonite and decided that

We are both very successful in our work and would never take advantage of anyone

We have done some more quiet reflection tonite and decided that

what started out as a little experiment with absolutely no knowledge of the outcome

on the goldtent server one night

started to grow and we were too into what we were doing to realize

we should be doing it on our own server …period .

We are Leaving Dave out of the equasion

He was not involved re the server of course .

We agree that we both intended to pay this years server fee for Goldtent.org

and we have done so….but You all migrated…so the intention is there but the Dough isn’t

We would like to pay for this years server fees for Oasis

and also your start up fees .

Send physical address if you accept

all I can say is I’m a slow understander when I get defensive

but Jims email rang true tonite

Please pass this on to the boys

You guys are going to be busy going forward..the gang is all returning..way to go

You know that’s all Todd and I ever wanted when we first met and discussed this community

a place for like minded honest money folks could meet and enjoy eachothers perspectives

I wish you well …see you at the Oasis

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From:Jim
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 8:21 PM
To:Gary
Cc: John, Ian, Tony
Subject: resignation
Gary:

 
Listed below are my comments to your points.
No need to resign Jim

You have already been fired

Emoji

The tent will rest in Peace

I have always valued your input and comraderie

and since you have contacted me I will respond to this situation

1…This was a great idea and I very happy the tent has been re vitalized

(There would have been no need for revitalization had your partner (Todd) taken care of the minimal maintenance that the Tent required. Refusing to fix the link to Poster Paradise off the home page, after being asked to do so several times, so that people who might have wanted to sign up or just log in again was part and parcel of the reason the Tent decayed.)

2…This was a must..the tent was unattended by a webmaster and was in decay
(It was not just unattended by the webmaster and your partner Todd – I believe it was planned destruction of the Tent ! And you allowed your PARTNER to do it with his trashing of the archives, destroying the home page, failing to fix the links.)

3…it was so bad I couldn’t bear to even go there…such a dreadful negative place
(And some people who might have wanted to go there – could not because your PARTNER Todd refused to maintain the links.)

4…Yes we set up Rambus on the same server…and we didn’t feel it necessary to

tell anybody…( You say that like it is a badge of honor or something Gary! In fact, in your infamous email you said to Todd,We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.”Why warn Todd of a need to be CAREFUL concerning the RAMBUS site and only YOU and TODD knowing it was on the GT server, IF, as you NOW say –

‘ we didn’t feel it necessary”. WHY did you not feel a NEED TO TELL John or others at the Tent but felt a need to WARN TODD to be careful? Was the Tent Todd’s or your personal property? – not telling what you were doing was being DISHONEST – If you thought it was ok and everyone would be fine with it you would have NOT SLIPPED AROUND BEHIND EVERYONE’S BACKS AND TOLD NO ONE YOU AND TODD WERE USING THE TENT SERVERS TO BUILD A PAID RAMBUS SITE) was just an experiment (BS – it was set up as a BUSINESS – whether it worked or not makes no difference – it was still a BUSINESS that YOU, TODD and RAMBUS set up on the TENT servers to save yourselves money WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE which was a lie by omission. Obviously, you believe in “don’t ask for permission” and if you get caught “beg for forgiveness”. ) and did not interfere with anybody (It interfered with EVERYONE because YOU paid less attention to the Tent and more attention to RAMBUS – TODD paid no attention to the Tent other than to remove archives and such that took up space that he needed – any request for TODD to fix the links on the sidebar or do something for the Tent were met with SILENCE – or retaliation) and didn’t cost anybody and $s (YOU and TODD built your RAMBUS business in which YOU, TODD and RAMBUS intended to make a profit, on a site and server paid for and whithout knowledge of EVERYONE WHO CONTRIBUTED to the TENTATHONS. They did not put their money into the Tentathon so that YOU, TODD and RAMBUS could build a PAY SITE FOR each of your own personal profit. Again – a lie of omission) or problems (problems previously pointed out above)…we had very little action for over a year maybe 25 members ( PAID MEMBERS for a business that YOU, TODD and RAMBUS built on a site and server bought and paid for by every member who had contributed to the tentathons and none of which knew they were supporting your personal business)

Then all of a sudden after Rambus made a great call the place stated growing exponentially

because Jim Sinclair joined the site and started promoting it in his seminars

That’s when I sent the infamous email to Todd (and inadvertently to wanka) We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.” (Had YOU, TODD and RAMBUS been honest at the beginning it would not have been necessary for it to be kept a secret from John and EVERYONE else at the Tent)


The intent was to tell him we will pay our portion of the server costs (You failed miserably)

Of course we would let you all know what and why,,,but you found out this way (We will never know whether anyone other than YOU, TODD and RAMBUS would have been told the truth as you suggest. YOU, TODD and RAMBUS had been running a business on the Tent site and server and never told anyone. KEPT IT A SECRET ! If you had not mistakenly included John on the infamous email: We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.” – why would you have all the sudden come out and told everyone the what and why?)


5…the bottom line is Nobody ever paid a red cent for the Rambus portion of the server (I know that YOU want to believe that – however- that is 1000% bullshit. Who paid for the server when RAMBUS was being built on the Tent site/server? TENTATHON’ers – they are SOMEBODY – they paid THOUSANDS of dollars! Who paid for the server the first year when you only had 25 paid subscribers? TENTATHON’ers – they paid every red cent , nickle, dime, quarter, dollar. YOU, TODD and RAMBUS’s personal and private business did not pay one RED CENT at that time – now – THAT is the TRUTH whether you like it, want to admit it or not! )

when we migrated last May the usage was still about 50:50 (There would have been no need for migration and extra server space had it not been for YOU and TODD building a personal business on the TENT site and server. The TENT should have never paid ANYTHING for the migration – the TENT did not need to migrate – YOU, TODD and RAMBUS’s personal business needed a bigger and faster server – NOT THE TENT. Remember the TENT was dying and use was going DOWN – NOT UP so there was no need for a migration from the TENT stand point to a bigger and faster server.)

but we paid $2400 and the tentathon paid $840

We paid more than our share (Again – I call B.S. )

in May this year we paid the whole server fee…IF the tent had continued ( and thank god it didn’t) (again proving that YOU and TODD wanted the Tent to die so that YOU and TODD did not have to deal with it).

there was to be NO tentathon

Wanka and I discussed this and he insisted we find out the exact server usage and pay accordingly

I agreed but then Todd and I discussed it and decided we would cover 100%

so I paid it all

6…If you all had come to me and insisted you were going to a new server and asked me to relinquish

my admin status..I would have agreed wholeheartedly (REALLY – you mean like the time John asked that the homepage be fixed and the link to Poster Paradise be fixed and was told by TODD to “go *uck himself!” Or the last time John asked YOU to have the link on the homepage fixed and you checked with your PARTNER TODD who said he declined to do so! Or how about the time TODD changed Ian, John and I to Editor from Administrator because he got pissed off that we asked him to fix something at the Tent. Yeah, I can see why we would have come to you. )

7…Wanka and I suppose you and Jim as well decided to do this in secret and to make me and Todd look like crooks and villains…how pathetic but so be it. ( We didn’t have to do anything – you and Todd did it all YOURSELF in the infamous email from you to Todd. We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.”( If it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, THEN it IS a DUCK !)

 

8…the oasis should thrive now…but it was born of a lie ( YOU are exactly correct Gary, the Oasis was born on a lie of omission by YOU and TODD. We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.” I picked this up on the internet – could not have said it better myself

 
A lie of omission is the most insidious, most pervasive, and most common lie on the entire planet. Commonly, those who use this type of lie, have conned themselves into believing that to intentionally remain silent when ethical behavior calls for one to speak up is not a lie at all. In spite of overwhelming evidence that their silence deceives, misleads, and often causes untold grief and misery, they refuse to speak the truth.


9…I am a good and honest guy.. ( I believe that to be true in general Gary and before this I would have told anyone so – In this case I believe that by keeping your and Todd’s activities of building the RAMBUS paid site on Gold Tent servers a secret, intentionally trying to keep everyone else from finding out about what you and Todd were up to, by using servers that were paid for by all the Tentathon’ers to make money for yourself, Todd and Rambus, by neglecting the up keep of the Tent, by refusing to fix things at the tent that were pointed out to you and Todd. In this case, I do not believe you acted in either a good or honest way.)

I was as angry as you all when Todd basically retired from the tent (TODD is your PARTNER – the two of you have been working on the Gold Tent servers making money for several years without us knowing. Don’t you really mean Todd retired from doing anything for Gold Tent except using Gold Tent servers to make money for himself, you and Rambus)

and when because of the issue between he and John he demoted all of us all

I was able to mediate that but that’s all I could do (He is YOUR PARTNER – sure hope YOU and RAMBUS have a really good contract.)

10…I will happily participate at Oasis when I can ( That will be left up to you – we know how busy you are with running the RAMBUS for profit site you haven’t been around hardly any for a long time.)

11…After being an important Founder of Goldtent and donating thousands of hours in building and maintaining the sidebar and all the goodwill alongside you and Jim and Todd and John…I don’t deserve to be vilified (Vilified – I don’t think you are being Vilified – I think it is simply being told what YOU and your partner did that percipatated the need for the birth of the Oasis. We never knew what day we might wake up and the TENT be gone – disabled – or locked out due to your disinterest and your partner’s actions.)


I am receiving many many emails ..all positive and thankful for my efforts (Great, you deserve credit for all you did for the Tent and helping to keep things humming along – we all worked hard to make the Tent a good place to be – we all played a part in that. Well done to you and us! Of course that was before this:
We got to be careful here re Rambus. Just you and I know its on the GT server.” )


12…In the words of Richard Nixon…I am NOT a crook….(And Jim…You KNOW it !) I also know that you are not a crook Gary! Never thought you were. However, in this case I believe that you and your partner Todd made a bad decision to hide what you were doing on the Gold Tent servers instead of coming forward; therefore, you and Todd were deceitful and dishonest by not letting people know that you were using the Gold Tent for your own profit purposes.


13…Have a good day (Have a good day yourself and I wish the Rambus site success as ya’ll go forward.)
 
p.s. I do agree with what Larry C just posted at the Oasis. You have had your say – I have had mine, no one else wants to listen to all of it.
 
Good Luck!
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Announcement

-> Posted by Fullgoldcrown @ 10:38 am on July 21, 2014
I received notices of resignation from Ipso facto an Florida Gold
They were accepted with this note
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No need to resign Jim and Ian
You have already been fired
:)
The tent will rest in Peace
I have always valued your input and comraderie
and since you have contacted me I will respond to this situation
1…This was a great idea and I very happy the tent has been re vitalized
2…This was a must..the tent was unattended by a webmaster and was in decay
3…it was so bad I couldn’t bear to even go there…such a dreadful negative place
It was an abomination trying to watch you all posting back and forth to eachother all day
bitching and moaning about this and that
4…Yes we set up Rambus on the same server…and we didn’t feel it necessary to
tell anybody…It was just an experiment and did not interfere with anybody and didn’t cost
anybody and $s or problems…we had very little action for over a year maybe 25 members
Then all of a sudden after Rambus made a great call the place stated growing exponentially
because Jim Sinclair joined the site and started promoting it in his seminars
That’s when I sent the infamous email to Todd (and inadvertently to wanka)
The intent was to tell him we will pay our portion of the server costs
Of course we would let you all know what and why,,,but you found out this way
5…the bottom line is Nobody ever paid a red cent for the Rambus portion of the server
when we migrated last May the usage was still about 50:50
but we paid $2400 and the tentathon paid $840 (unused portion from the Jan 2013 donations)
We paid more than our share
in May this year we paid the whole server fee…IF the tent had continued ( and thank god it didn’t)
there was to be NO tentathon
Wanka and I discussed this and he insisted we find out the exact server usage and pay accordingly
I agreed but then Todd and I discussed it and decided we would cover 100%
so I paid it all
6…If you all had come to me and insisted you were going to a new server and asked me to relinquish
my admin status..I would have agreed wholeheartedly
7…Wanka and I suppose you and Jim as well decided to do this in secret and to make me and Todd look like
crooks and villains…how pathetic but so be it
8…the oasis should thrive now…but it was born of a lie
9…I am a good and honest guy..
I was as upset as you all when Todd basically retired from the tent
and when because of the issue between he and John he demoted all of us all
I was able to mediate that but that’s all I could do (this was between the two of them only)
10…I will happily participate at Oasis when I can
11…After being an important Founder of Goldtent and donating thousands of hours in building and maintaining the sidebar and
all the goodwill alongside you and Jim and Todd and John…I don’t deserve to be vilified
I am receiving many many emails ..all positive and thankful for my efforts
12…In the words of Richard Nixon…I am NOT a crook….(And Jim and Ian…You KNOW it !)
13…Have a good day

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