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Democracy ?

Posted by Ororeef @ 22:22 on December 4, 2014  

Thats not what we have ,what we have is a Bastardized sembalance  of it.We elect people not because they are good managers and fair administraters

we elect people that think its  their  turn at being on the take , get to do their own version of Racism, getting revenge, sharing the Loot , abusing the Constitution…yes they all get their turn and thats called Democracy    ,is it no wonder the Founding Fathers avoided  it.? Its more like MOB RULE ,a majority of the votes gives you a mandate for Mob Rule !   Is no wonder the Founders installed the “Bill of Rights” as a protection against democracy, AKA MOB RULE !

The administrations crude attempt to gain votes by not enforceing immigration is a sinister  plan to undermine Representative Government and install direct democracy and mob rule !

Since the Bill of Rights acknowledges “Rights” that are GOD GIVEN and therefore not Government given that Governments have no right to  take away what they have not given. A Majority of votes does not give the Rulers the right to take away God Given Rights.!  This must be repeated over and over to the Stupid followers of this administration until they finally realize its in their INTEREST  !  The next administration might reverse everything they did ,and then what ?

How come over 90 % of black voters voted for O ..thats the overwhealming evidence of Racism ..instead of doing what well meaning white voters did and passed laws to stop it, making it possible for a Black President to get elected. They get elected and install a version of anti white Racism ..How is that in their best interest ?  Their tolarance and solicitations of  council from Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson type race baiters  does them no good  except to show that are no better at Governing that the old Racists were !

They need to stop it or a backlash is going to take things to an order worse than Racism ! Take a look at the interior of the Prison systom where everybody MUST join a GANG for protection.! Not even a police run Prison system can stop it !  Mexico,Colombia reverted to GANG run Feiftoms .Is that what this administration wants ? They need to show they can rise above the pressures from the stupid ones .! They better start Managing and Administrating better and fairly because Gangs are the next step !

 

Posted by Floridagold @ 21:01 on December 4, 2014  

 

D’oh!

Posted by ipso facto @ 20:36 on December 4, 2014  

US drugs now flowing INTO Mexico: Cartels are smuggling high-grade medicinal marijuana south of the border

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2860919/Cartels-smuggling-high-grade-medicinal-marijuana-Mexico.html#ixzz3Kz0ph9rw

We’re #2 – We’re #2 – We’re #2

Posted by Floridagold @ 20:01 on December 4, 2014  

It’s official: America is now No. 2

The International Monetary Fund recently released the latest numbers for the world economy. And when you measure national economic output in “real” terms of goods and services, China will this year produce $17.6 trillion — compared with $17.4 trillion for the U.S.A.

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-official-america-is-now-no-2-2014-12-04

 

Jury Nullification is going to be used more and more against this administration

Posted by Ororeef @ 18:55 on December 4, 2014  

and their refusal to apply the Law without partiality .They might get away with not enforcing some Laws that suit their corruption interests.

BUT Jury Nullification can Prevent them from abusing their Political opponents. They can charge you with anything to punish you because of their political interests ,BUT the JURY can stop them…

Remember this ! ..you might be on a JURY when the Administration abuses someone!

Posted by Ororeef @ 18:46 on December 4, 2014  

 

Jury nullification

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jury nullification occurs in a trial when a jury acquits a defendant, even though the members of the jury believe the defendant to be guilty of the charges. This may occur when members of the jury disagree with the law the defendant has been charged with breaking, or believe that the law should not be applied in that particular case. A jury can similarly convict a defendant on the ground of disagreement with an existing law, even if no law is broken (although in jurisdictions with double jeopardy rules, a conviction can be overturned on appeal, but an acquittal cannot).

A jury verdict that is contrary to the letter of the law pertains only to the particular case before it. If a pattern of acquittals develops, however, in response to repeated attempts to prosecute a statutory offence, this can have the de facto effect of invalidating the statute. A pattern of jury nullification may indicate public opposition to an unwanted legislative enactment.

In the past, it was feared that a single judge or panel of government officials may be unduly influenced to follow established legal practice, even when that practice had drifted from its origins. In most modern Western legal systems, however, juries are often instructed to serve only as “finders of facts“, whose role it is to determine the veracity of the evidence presented, the weight accorded to the evidence,[1] to apply that evidence to the law, and to reach a verdict; but not to decide what the law is. Similarly, juries are routinely cautioned by courts and some attorneys not to allow sympathy for a party or other affected persons to compromise the fair and dispassionate evaluation of evidence during the guilt phase of a trial. These instructions are criticized by advocates of jury nullification. Some commonly cited historical examples of jury nullification involve the refusal of American colonial juries to convict a defendant under English law.[2]

Juries have also refused to convict due to the perceived injustice of a law in general,[3] or the perceived injustice of the way the law is applied in particular cases.[4] There have also been cases where the juries have refused to convict due to their own prejudices such as the race of one of the parties in the case.[5]

 

Oboma’s next executive order

Posted by redneckokie1 @ 18:45 on December 4, 2014  

from this day forward, looting by minorities will be referred to as “undocumented shopping”.

rno

Jury nullification !

Posted by Ororeef @ 18:41 on December 4, 2014  

thats what it is….If you are brought to trial by an abusive Government on false charges that serve someones or a groups special interest ,the JURY has the Power to say “We can rule on the Law and how it was applied and find the Law dosent apply in this case .That what Constitution protections are all about ….JURY’s can say He may have violated a bad law  or the Law was mis applied in this case and therefore we find innocent.! Despite instructions from the Judge !

Jury Nullifacation is your LAST protection against a Bad executive ..be thankful its there ! Thank the Founding Fathers ..they knew what they were doing.!

Americas Founders were a Gift from God…I don’t say this was the CASE in NY,but indirectly it gets to the Abuse by an Attorney General and Executive and indirectly shows them they are not the LAST WORD in Justice….The People will have their say !

How appalling !

Posted by Ororeef @ 18:25 on December 4, 2014  

The Grand Jury is acting just like the Attorney General and the President  they meter Justice to their interests …what goes around comes around.

Why would anyone expect different ?  The Grand Jury is white answer to Al Sharpton & Obolo ,why not ?

Those that weild executive Power abuse it but cry FOUL when it turns on them ! Who gives a rats ass ? you get what you give in like proportion…..

The Administration sets the pace..it starts there ,when it ends there ,it will end elsewhere !

Mr President.

Posted by commish @ 17:07 on December 4, 2014  

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Wanka

Posted by ipso facto @ 16:58 on December 4, 2014  

I have some comments about this:

It does look like Eric Garner was resisting arrest, I don’t know if his arrest was justified or not. He seemed to have been jumped by the police very quickly.

A chokehold was used by the arresting officers against NYC policy.

I don’t know if the officer who used the chokehold should be indicted for murder-manslaughter or not but he shouldn’t be able to just walk away.

Didn’t any officer have a stun gun? In this circumstance it seems it would have been a lot safer.

The arrest of the man who shot the film is reprehensible.

JMO’s

PS Sometimes I think the police are a bit afraid of getting their ass kicked by these really big guys. If he had been normal sized he probably wouldn’t have been assaulted so forcefully.

R640

Posted by Buygold @ 16:49 on December 4, 2014  

You know what that means. Miss = pm’s down, Beat = pm’s down hard 🙂

Ya never know though, 2 out of the last 3 Fridays have been exceptional up days.

The employment report will be whatever they need it to be.3ea4488f83

For what it’s worth….

Posted by Richard640 @ 16:36 on December 4, 2014  

A frequent after mkt commentator and floor trader-on FOX news–said-at 4:07–that he thinks the jobs report will be a miss tomorrow–he did not say big or small–he said he “goes by” the ADP report that was a bit light–he also said he got a clue from Obama talking early this week about jobs but I didn’t catch what his rationale was for seeing this as a sign the report could be a miss.

GOODY-! [got gold?]

Posted by Richard640 @ 16:32 on December 4, 2014  

It’s All Coming To An End, Bill Gross Warns

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/04/2014 – 14:23

“Can a debt crisis be cured with more debt?” it is difficult to envision a return to normalcy within my lifetime (shorter than it is for most of you). I suspect future generations will be asking current policymakers the same thing that many of us now ask about public smoking, or discrimination against gays, or any other wrong turn in the process of being righted. How could they? How could policymakers have allowed so much debt to be created in the first place, and then failed to regulate their own system accordingly? How could they have thought that money printing and debt creation could create wealth instead of just more and more debt? How could fiscal authorities have stood by and attempted to balance budgets as opposed to borrowing cheaply and investing the proceeds in infrastructure and innovation? It has been a nursery rhyme experience for sure, but more than likely without a fairytale ending.

Markets are reaching the point of low return and diminishing liquidity. Investors may want to begin to take some chips off the table: raise asset quality, reduce duration, and prepare for at least a halt of asset appreciation engineered upon a false central bank premise of artificial yields, QE and the trickling down of faux wealth to the working class. If the nursery rhyme theme is apropos to the future, as well as the past, investors should remember that while “Jack and Jill went up the hill,” that “Jack fell down, broke his crown, and Jill came tumbling after.”

Someday soon, perhaps.

-William H. Gross

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-04/its-all-coming-end-bill-gross-warns

 

gata give him credit on this though!

Posted by WANKA @ 16:19 on December 4, 2014  

Grand Jury Does not Indict Cop Who Murdered Eric Garner — But the Man Who Filmed It

Thrasymachus Quote

If anyone thinks that there is really justice, you should re-read Thraysmachus who debated Socrates. Socrates wishfully believed that in a democracy the people would always be just compared to a tyrant. Thraysmachus disagreed. He warned that all forms of government act in the same identical manner because they only pursue their own self-interest. Hence, justice is merely the will of the stronger. This is precisely correct for this is also the explanation behind Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand. This is why Communism failed. It began to make all people equal, but ended elevating government over the people.

On Wednesday, a Staten Island grand jury decided not to return an indictment for the police officer who murdered Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, by placing him in a chokehold shortly before his death when the man was not resisting. Police are no longer the protectors of society, they have devolved into a military  force with no ethics or rules who see everyone of us as merely a probably threat.

To illustrate how corrupt the grand jury system truly is and why lawyers for decades have said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. That phase was actually coined by a New York State Judge by the name of Sol Wachtler. Wachtler was the former chief judge of New York state who coined that term in a January 1985 interview with the New York Daily News‘ Marcia Kramer and Frank Lombardi. The relevant portion:

In a bid to make prosecutors more accountable for their actions, Chief Judge Sol Wachtler has proposed that the state scrap the grand jury system of bringing criminal indictments.

Wachtler, who became the state’s top judge earlier this month, said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

A month later, the New York Times noted that Wachtler believed grand juries “operate more often as the prosecutor’s pawn than the citizen’s shield.” That belief—that prosecutors can get grand juries to do whatever they want them to do is really universal and if this is not seriously changed, we will see massive civil unrest tear the system apart limb from limb.

The “ham sandwich” term has been universally quoted among lawyers albeit the public perhaps did not hear it until Ferguson. Tom Wolfe included the saying in the 1987 novel The Bonfire of the Vanities. “But mainly you used the grand jury to indict people,” Wolfe wrote, “and in the famous phrase of Sol Wachtler, chief judge of the State Court of Appeals, a grand jury would ‘indict a ham sandwich,’ if that’s what you wanted.”

Coxey & His Army

If the government wants your ass it is theirs. I warned about Coxley who led the March on Washington, DC during the Panic of 1893 about unemployment. The Wizard of Oz was based on that march – we are off to see the wizard. Coxley was arrested for walking in the grass to break up that March. There are way too many laws so anyone can be imprisoned at any time for everyone commits at least 3 crimes per day and do not know about it  – See Three Felonies a Day – How the Feds Target the Innocent 

A different Staten Island grand jury indicted Ramsey Orta, the man who filmed the entire incident in August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 confrontation in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers murdered Garner in plain view for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes. The prosecutors wanted to imprison the camera man so like Coxley, they find some other law to charge him with in retaliation for filming what the police did. The grand jury was manipulated into indicting Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers.

Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice’s waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner’s death, but the grand jury indicted Orta with a single felony count of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.

This illustrates the abuse that people are suffering at the hands of the police. When I worked in the law library, I had to review countless indictments on people. I began to see the same police names constantly coming up. There was a young black kid who looked visibly retarded. I saw the same police names charging him with possession of a gun. There were witnesses who said the police search him and found nothing. They searched him a second time and found nothing. They took him to the police van and suddenly in a third search they miraculously found a gun in his pants. I advised the kid to go to trial, not just because of the witnesses, but because of his appearance. The court appointed lawyer who never win cases to get such jobs, tried to get the kid to plead guilty as always. I encouraged him to go to trial. He won. My own count appointed lawyer then asked me how did it feel that I helped a criminal back on the street. I went to court and demanded he be removed.

The system is so corrupt nobody would believe it. The public actually think government is there to protect them, but they have no such feeling of obligation. It is always about them. Nobody has any 20 year plan even for the economy. All they care about is making the next election. With self-interest the primary mover, its is impossible to reform anything.

Government will never reform anything until the PUBLIC forces that change. Unfortunately, this is why we will see a rise in civil unrest. There is no remorse in government because there is no check and balance. Nobody will make them comply with human rights or the law. Most of mainstream press is corporate owned businesses vulnerable to various charges as well if they do not comply with government wishes. Mainstream media have sealed their own fate for once they laid down the pen, they surrendered their rights as well. Mainstream media have sold their position of protecting the First Amendment long ago for self-preservation. There is nobody watching the government and this is why it will explode in everyone’s faces.

Jefferson-SigGovernment has abused their power to police and tax. They assume it will blow over and everything gets back to normal. That is true only up to a point. When the economy turns down very hard, the sparks will fly. This is what our computer model is warning. Everything is unfolding is precise manner that leads to very serious problems. Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence warned that the king was also protecting his people for committing crimes against the people. There he created “mock trials” to protect them – history has repeated once again. All government devolve to self-interest. Exercise your free speech and they will find something else to charge you with and pretend that is the reason you go to prison – never for what you said.

 

 

 

 

wj

buygold

Posted by Maddog @ 16:12 on December 4, 2014  

Nightmare…. .you ain’t kidding….I was stopped out of a punting possy ystdy on GDX, when it dropped 10 % in 2 seconds on the close !!!!!!

Not only do they cap every rally, but now they take you out on false trades….No part of GDX caused the move, it was purely a GDX move, all the component stocks did nothing !!!!!!!

Gonna ask NYSE what they have to say, if they can switch off the porn channel long enough to answer me.

Well Maddog

Posted by Buygold @ 15:56 on December 4, 2014  

Looks like the Cartel is giving the “all clear” to short the metals for the employment report tomorrow by giving the miners a nice smack.

The nightmare continues another day.

Armstrong off topic or maybe not. Loss of confidence in the Government

Posted by goldielocks @ 15:41 on December 4, 2014  

Grand Jury Does not Indict Cop Who Murdered Eric Garner — But the Man Who Filmed It

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/04/grand-jury-does-not-indict-cop-who-murdered-eric-garners-but-the-man-who-filmed-it/

Eeos

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:39 on December 4, 2014  

Yeah he doesn’t make any sense about his support resistance because he’ll put multi numbers and haven’t seen any if those numbers as far as PMs. If he had a cycle on the PMs that was clear and concise he wouldn’t  be changing his mind  and deleting the claims the cycle will go up then a new one saying it will go down. So people will be waiting around for these numbers instead of going on instincts or formulating their own. In past 07 for instance you might remember that was about Jan of 07 was the turning point and even mentioned gold could go up in 08. Well in early 07 to about that time it did have a small correction but it soon recovered and the real correction or plain slaughter he didn’t mention came in 08 and noticed his cycles highs and lows changed after those zig zag things. It was Peter Schiff who warned of the impending crash that the cause will be the real estate bubble. Armstrong is now talking about bond bubble although Peter has also mentioned that saying from memory he doesn’t know when but it will burst.

redneckokie1

Posted by ipso facto @ 14:36 on December 4, 2014  

Yeah while engaged in a meadow muffin tossing competition!

Around here people mostly just go crazy from not seeing the sun for long periods … although we are due for a big earthquake as well … not too mention Mt. Ranier sitting in the background.

Ipso

Posted by redneckokie1 @ 14:27 on December 4, 2014  

my choices were hurricane, tornado, earthquake or volcano. Ain’t that kinda like noodling in a snake pit?

rno

Buygold

Posted by redneckokie1 @ 14:20 on December 4, 2014  

Oklahoma has layers of ash from the last Yellowstone eruption. Several groups have studied the last eruption and concluded it was much worse than Krakatoa. Good luck outrunning that. Maybe Old Faithful will keep the pressure under control. If scientific measurements are correct, the area of the former eruption is rising enough to get people’s attention.

just think, if you live another 500-600 years, you may get caught in the initial flow!

rno

redneckokie1

Posted by ipso facto @ 14:19 on December 4, 2014  

Better a bunch of little quakes than the big one!

Of course all will be blamed on Bush. In fact WW1 …

It hurts my feelings that you don’t want to stay with me on account of the quality of the accommodations. I think I need a tissue. 😉

drb2 @ 13:43

Posted by ipso facto @ 14:14 on December 4, 2014  

I know that you are at least partially right in what you say. I just hope it’s not completely. You mentioned First Majestic and I think there was one other miner that was withholding metal off the market until the price improves. These guys at least ARE bucking the system. Probably some of the loan agreements the miners have compel selling to crimex. I don’t know for sure but I would bet that’s the case.

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs …

Don’t worry Buygold

Posted by eeos @ 14:06 on December 4, 2014  

Obomber says he’ll nuke Yellowstone if it trys to erupt, he’s then going to call it Blackstone National Park. He also says you didn’t build The New Madrid Fault, so you aint gettin none of that.

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