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Gold goes up ,Gold Stocks go Down !

Posted by Ororeef @ 23:12 on December 8, 2014  

Thats evidence of Fed manipulation of public opinion ..gotta keep the public out of gold so they have no alternative and have to stay in the Dollar !

Guaranteeing a real return on their money of ZERO ….its legalized theft same thing for retirees ..ZERO return on Savings ,ZERO increases in SS after inflation another theft !    and then the Fed Head has the Gall to state citizens don’t save enough …really !

End the FED !  give them the same treatment they give you   …Un- EMployment ! and food stamps.

Get the Banks out of the Stock Markets and that includes the Fed .they represent Bankers interests not public interest ….Glass Steagal was right and needs to brought  back !   Elected Presidents shouldn’t have to fear the Fed is going to assassinate them ..or coerce them that’s been our history since the Fed took control ! Good men have clearly been threatened or attacked like McKinley , George Wallace,Ross Perot,Ron Paul ..if demonizing as Radical Kooks  is their first weapon ,if that don’t work coercing and threatening Family then assassination ..anything to keep the Country from printing TREASURY NOTES instead of Federal Reserve Notes as money !  Look what happened  to Kennedy after he printed Treasury Notes that carried NO DEBT  ! Johnson Reversed that immediately ..He got the message ! Treasury Secretary’s  that don’t toe the line are forced out

soon after taking office like Paul O’Neill ! Former Alcoa chief !   If you can’t get clearance from GS your not going to Last  ! Club Members only !

Life Insurance is a legalized Hold-up

Posted by Ororeef @ 22:25 on December 8, 2014  

Give me your money or your Life !

AND banks  that have Life Insurance on Employees are an abomination !

They profit from their employees death.  They should SELF insure them, nobody  should be worth more dead than alive !

An employees death should be a loss to the Bank  ,not a profit ! The beneficiary of any insurance should be the Family of the deceased ,in that way the Bank doesn’t have to look after the welfare of children and spouse   and the Bank benefits in that way ! The Bank gets a tax deduction for the Cost not a profit !    Thats  a big difference in incentive by the Bank to keep  Bank executives to alive and avoid mysterious suicides !

Here’s a lot of Hoopla about something some say does not exist

Posted by silverngold @ 22:14 on December 8, 2014  

Elite Think Tank Admits to Ongoing Climate Engineering Experiments

Nicholas West
Activist Post

If we could experiment with the atmosphere and literally play God, it’s very tempting to a scientist – Kenyan earth scientist Richard Odingo

For those who know about the history of geoengineering – aka chemtrails – you might be noticing a spate of admissions from the halls of establishment science and government that the “conspiracy theory” is no longer … it is a fact.

Perhaps the efforts of independent researchers have forced such open disclosure, at least putting us over the hurdle of abject denial. However, the narrative being created for mainstream media consumption is disingenuous at best, and full-throttle manipulation at worst. Case in point is an admission from The Royal Society that geoengineering experiments are being debated for full rollout even in the absence of policy restrictions.

The elite UK think-tank, The Royal Society, has for years openly discussed control over the planet’s weather.  Their 2011 propaganda press release entitled “Who Decides?” is an overtly Orwellian exercise in problem-reaction-solution that, naturally, argues for a cabal of technocratic insiders to implement godlike power over the unwashed masses who are threatened both by their own ignorance as well as “rogue elements” that could hijack weather manipulation technology.

Mainstream outlet The Verge wound up echoing these supposed concerns in their 2013 article,“Weather wars: who should be allowed to engineer our climate?” which has the subtitle, “Geoengineering could be the silver bullet in fighting climate change — or the start of something even worse.”

Let’s bypass for a moment that there still is intense scientific debate about the legitimacy of those who assign climate change to certain man-made activities, and instead look to these attempts to portray a full consensus that leapfrogs us to do-or-die solutions.

Even though the above story appears to have been originally disseminated by the Associated Press, what was not mentioned in any of the establishment outlets is the backstory that indicates a much longer timeline in getting to the conclusion that geoengineering is possibly the only hope that remains for saving the earth.

The Royal Society published a paper further back in 2009, which was based upon a 12-month study; the results were given the title: “Geoengineering the climate: science, governance and uncertainty.”

If we look at the recommendations from this report, then look at what is being discussed today as something supposedly novel, an agenda emerges. The report recommends:

  • Parties to the UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change – Ed.) should make increased efforts towards mitigating and adapting to climate change and in particular to agreeing to global emissions reductions of at least 50% on 1990 levels by 2050 and more thereafter;
  • CDR (Carbon Dioxide Removal – Ed.) and SRM (Solar Radiation Management – Ed.) geoengineering methods should only be considered as part of a wider package of options for addressing climate change. CDR methods should be regarded as preferable to SRM methods.
  • Relevant UK government departments, in association with the UK Research Councils, should together fund a 10 year geoengineering research programme at a level of the order of £10M per annum.
  • The Royal Society, in collaboration with international science partners, should develop a code of practice for geoengineering research and provide recommendations to the international scientific community for a voluntary research governance framework.

Citing the slow path of debate and legislation, the panel of “twelve leading academics representing science, economics, law and social science” advocate for climate engineering as a “final hope.”This was 2009, of course; so when we read their latest press release  “Atmospheric particles can brighten cold clouds as well as warm ones” an otherwise innocuous title should trigger an alarm.

Indeed, here we see that what is bullet-pointed above – and discussed within the study – as a non-preferable, potentially dangerous tinkering with global systems is underway.

For the first time, modeling research led by Pacific Northwest National Laboratory found that atmospheric particles can brighten cold clouds in the Arctic. Using simulations, they showed that low clouds over the Arctic may be brightened by deliberately injecting small particles known as aerosols. It’s already well known that injecting aerosols into low clouds over the warm ocean can, in some circumstances, reduce the amount of sunlight that reaches the surface. The concept, untested over the Arctic until now, is called marine cloud brightening, and it can also happen when ships send exhaust into the atmosphere.

The full report consists of 14 articles discussing several climate engineering methods, some openly available here (others are locked). There appears to be a consistent message that the politics of proper governance could impede much-needed field experimentation.

However, there is additional vague language similar to the section above which leaves uncertainty about what exactly has been modeled by computers and what might have already been tested in the open. What cannot be doubted, however, is that the volume of scientific articles now published indicates a real agenda with massive scope, a massive budget and massive consequences.

Also clear is a reinforcement of the meme that climate scientists are proceeding with caution – a notion highlighted recently by Harvard, but which has very little basis in the general history of scientific endeavors that have claimed a do-or-die right to proceed (nuclear, GMO, vaccines, etc.).

As with all things secretive, governmental, and possessing a military component, we only can do our best to independently research cause and effect. Such research by those who have dedicated their energy to uncovering the climate change/geoengineering agenda seem to conclude that engineering the planet’s weather is not a “final hope” … but more likely to be our Finale.

Main source:

Additional Sources:
Geoengineering Watch 
Chemtrails Planet 
Obama Takes Bold Step to Geoengineer Climate Change

Stop Radicalizing !

Posted by Ororeef @ 22:03 on December 8, 2014  

The Radical fed Reserve is the cause of economic depression ,yet they are in charge ! Why  ?

Well meaning white folks ended Racism ,Yet the Racists are in charge (on the other side ! ) Why ?

Without Racist rabal rousing, guys like Al Sharpton would nt have an audience ..therefore HE has to keep the Racist hatred alive or he will be out of work .Why is he in charge of his own show ?  Why is the President using HIM as an advisor ? democrats need to keep the Racist thing alive or they will all be out of work.Its  the only thing that gives them an audience  ! They can’t manage anything economically or create jobs ,so they create mischeff  as a distraction !   Who needs them ?  We need problem solvers ,not problem creaters !

Universitys are a hot bed of Radicals for the same reason ..Who put those Radicals in charge ..FIRE them ,withhold their money !

reduce College tuitions ,not raise them !  TAKE thier MONEY away ! TAKE thier MONEY away !

Take Obola’s money away ! thats how you stop the Radicalizing !  Congress …Take his money AWAY !

He’s all talk and so are his minions ,they can’t perform at any level ! Incompetant in Foreign affairs ,in domistic economics ,in job creation anywhere you reasonabilly assess their performance  they fail ! There are ALL TALK..Talking HEADS ,empty Heads at that  !

They can’t even run their own lives ..how can they run the Country  ! Who  put them in Charge ? Fire then !

What insane logic says that putting people in charge that failed in their personal lives is going to make for GOOD Government  adminsitration. ? Putting stupid people in charge just because they are at the bottom is NUTS. They are going make the country end up as losers just like their personal lives are !  Stupid is as Stupid does ….Stop hiring failures to show the way and hire successful people that have a sence of public responsibility !

“ASK NOT what your country can do for YOU ” means don’t hire those that want to loot the Public Treasury !

“Ask what you can do for your Country ” means hire those that took a pay CUT to help the Country !

Put people to work and they will stay out of trouble making ! And thats good advice for the Youth too,keep them busy ,make them earn their own money and require they manage their own money !  That experience will give them knowledge  they will never get  in College ! They need to learn never to borrow for consumption ,that money should be used to make money ,not to get into debt .Credit cards should be  used to bridge gaps in income not for getting what you cant afford ! If youth can learn some of this they will become good administraters of Public funds. They won’t be Radical Public Politicians ,but Managers and efficent managers of the Public Treasury.

Abort the Radicals !





Just remember ETF’s are derivatives too

Posted by silverngold @ 21:25 on December 8, 2014  

New Law Would Make Taxpayers Potentially Liable For TRILLIONS In Derivatives Losses

Michael Snyder
Activist Post 

If the quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble implodes, who should be stuck with the bill?  Well, if the “too big to fail” banks have their way it will be you and I.

As you read this, there are five Wall Street banks that each have more than 40 trillion dollars in exposure to derivatives.  The following numbers come from the OCC’s most recent quarterly report (see Table 2)

JPMorgan Chase
Total Assets: $2,520,336,000,000 (about 2.5 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $68,326,075,000,000 (more than 68 trillion dollars)

Total Assets: $1,909,715,000,000 (slightly more than 1.9 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $61,753,462,000,000 (more than 61 trillion dollars)

Goldman Sachs
Total Assets: $860,008,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $57,695,156,000,000 (more than 57 trillion dollars)

Bank Of America
Total Assets: $2,172,001,000,000 (a bit more than 2.1 trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $55,472,434,000,000 (more than 55 trillion dollars)

Morgan Stanley
Total Assets: $826,568,000,000 (less than a trillion dollars)
Total Exposure To Derivatives: $44,134,518,000,000 (more than 44 trillion dollars)


Mass Mutual Executive. Mother of two was murdered.

Posted by commish @ 21:01 on December 8, 2014  

Held Wall St trade secrets.








My good buddy Mike Pento on gold today

Posted by Richard640 @ 19:07 on December 8, 2014  

Our collective human conscious has for millennia deemed gold to be valuable because it is; portable, divisible, beautiful, extremely rare and virtually indestructible. How many things on this planet fit those criteria? The answer is nothing else except precious metals; fiat currencies fail miserably when it comes to the rare and virtually indestructible part. This is what gives gold intrinsic value and what makes it so vastly different than fiat currencies.

In the near future, I believe Citi’s chief economist will be embarrassed by his remarks, especially when comparing gold to pet rocks. He also claims that gold, since it is just another fiat currency, can reach zero value just as paper money can lose all its worth.

But contrary to what this gentlemen thinks, the value of gold is about to soar because central banks and governments have become trapped. These market manipulators need to keep asset bubbles inflated in order to keep the wealth effect in place and sustain whatever anemic economic growth they have been able to achieve. Most importantly, they need to keep sovereign debt out of public hands in order to keep debt service payments remain low. This means governments have no escape from their massive and unprecedented money printing campaigns. Therefore, the value of fiat currencies is set to plummet when compared to precious metals

These haters of gold are becoming more bold and desperate in their attempt to maintain confidence in government issued debt and currencies as asset bubbles have reached dizzying heights and debt levels have exploded into record territory.

Inflation has become the goal of every central bank on earth. This makes the mean reversion of interest rates inevitable, which will lead to a global sovereign debt crisis. To illustrate this point, the U.S. national debt officially eclipsed $18 trillion this week! This equates to a trillion dollars + per year just on interest payments once the Treasury is forced to pay a more normal rate on all that debt. Economic chaos and soaring inflation will then follow, which should send U.S. Investors flocking to gold en masse.

Buiter’s concludes his inane commentary by stating that gold, “has had positive value for nigh-on 6,000 years.” “That must make it the longest-lasting bubble in human history.” But history has proven the real bubbles have manifested in sovereign-issued debt and currencies; never in gold. Since the rate of debt accumulation and government money creation is exponentially greater than at any other time in human history, I can state with confidence the “bubble” in gold has only just begun.

Gold bears betting on a deflationary collapse–and I think they may be right-should not put too much

Posted by Richard640 @ 19:01 on December 8, 2014  

stock in a repeat of 2008–with gold collapsing–and that crap dialogue wall st fabricated about “investors are selling EVERTHING to raise cash…today was a warning–with the collapse of crude today and deflation talk on all the Business channels-and gold up 15 buckeroos…

Hey j12pk, this is the urban country version of Hillary ’16

Posted by macroman3 @ 18:34 on December 8, 2014  

Did the massive volatility in precious metal prices after the Swiss referendum mark the bottom of the long correction? Posted on 07 December 2014

Posted by Richard640 @ 17:38 on December 8, 2014  

The $70 rally in the gold price after the Swiss referendum last week has raised more than a few eyebrows in the investment community. On the one hand, the price of gold should have gone down and not up on this bad news. On the other, the scale of the leap was substantial and silver’s advance proportionately very much stronger.

Is this a turning point for precious metals now more than three years into a correction phase? Certainly the more bearish calls for $800 gold now look to have been the classic bloopers always dropped at market bottoms by inexperienced analysts who may now have to take up a new profession.

Bearish calls

The technical analysts from Goldman Sachs looking for $1,050 were also off the mark, though those who saw $1,150 as the bottom were pretty much spot on as gold hit $1,141 an ounce.

What caused the sudden rebound in prices? The only answer that makes any sense to ArabianMoney is huge short covering after the Swiss referendum. In layman’s speak pessimistic investment for lower gold prices reached a peak before the referendum was rejected but was then left scrabbling to cover these positions as there were no more sellers left.

It can be a very expensive error to bet the wrong way on gold prices as the leverage of these market moves is more than thirty times, so when you have got to go you have really got to go! Likely more than a few traders got badly burned by being on the wrong side of the gold trade and may have learnt a lesson.

This is a classic market reversal moment. The beating up of the gold price has gone on long enough. Sure the US economy is looking better and the dollar the only game in town for forex.

Money printing

But the world is still awash with money printing and there is one other currency with good prospects in this outlook. Even if gold remains static in value against the US dollar it is a protection against the collapse of everything else.

There will also still be those who doubt that the US dollar has such a brilliant outlook ahead. US bonds are massively overpriced and paying record low dividends. You can say exactly the same thing about equities and the US stock market bubble. Hedging this risk means buying precious metals. You don’t have much alternative, outside of the also risky derivatives complex.

Will there now be a euphoric rally in gold and silver prices over the next couple of years as bonds and equities face their nemesis? Timing these rallies is a fool’s errand. But buying cheaply priced assets before they rise in price is how most investors get rich.

Wall Street lost the plot several chapters ago…


John Williams–Shadow Stats

Posted by Richard640 @ 17:29 on December 8, 2014  

Dollar will ‘turn very sharply very soon’ as GDP growth is nonsense says Shadowstats.com

Right now, we have a big distortion in the market, and that is the strength of the US dollar,’ says Shadowstats.com economist John Williams. ‘I contend the dollar should be getting much weaker, and indeed it’s going to turn very sharply very soon, and that will be an approximate trigger for a major upturn in inflation.

‘The reason the dollar is strong right now… the US economy is booming, if you believe the statistics. Main Street USA doesn’t believe the statistics. The rest of the world is in recession, and guess what? We’re in recession too. We’re just not reporting the numbers as accurately as the rest of the world

The “alibi” for today??

Posted by Richard640 @ 17:21 on December 8, 2014  

Gold began to rally quietly going into its Comex close. But then the DOW and DOG began to get trashed and gold managed to blow through $1200, rising quickly to $1209. Silver was dragged along and caught bids too, rising to $16.41. The moves appeared to be technical in nature although some point to these comments…

14:00 Atlanta Fed President Lockhart tells media ‘not in a rush’ to drop ‘considerable time’ phrase from FOMC statement
Additional headlines note Lockhart as telling the audience it would not want a change in the wording to be seen as a signal a hike in rates was imminent, and also notes that liftoff is not ‘carved in stone’ if inflation and inlfation expectation are low.
Lockhart’s comments to the media following his prepared remarks earlier seem echo the data dependent nature of current Fed policy

Country song for Hillary….

Posted by joe12pack @ 17:15 on December 8, 2014  



Posted by Buygold @ 16:45 on December 8, 2014  

Yes, I am and you should too IMHO. I think you’ll get a double buy January, but hey, it’s a gold stock so who knows.

We’re probably going to have a decent Q1 in the miners.

Thankx, I didn’t realise-so should I buy TRX-are u buying?

Posted by Richard640 @ 16:35 on December 8, 2014  


Posted by Buygold @ 16:18 on December 8, 2014  

Thanks for posting the hit piece on TRX. I have it on good authority that the author resides in an apartment in Jerusalem and is being pursued for slander.

The last time you posted a similar hit piece it was on ANV and the stock went from $.80 to $2 in a week.

TRX is a screaming buy right now IMHO.

Nice day for the metals. Sucky for the miners. Even when we’re winning they make it feel like we’re losing.

The miners are saying no follow thru tomorrow, but no doubt the SM will open 100 pts higher in the am.

Very Interesting Action

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 15:50 on December 8, 2014  

Someone just last Friday said….re Dow,

#1 A Big Crash, Waiting For A Reason, Or Spark.
#2 US Dollar Getting Up Near Prior Drop Zone, and…
#3 Euro Getting Down Near Prior Support Area.

Looks like all three so far, may be in new directions.


Posted by goldielocks @ 15:37 on December 8, 2014  

Posted in another site people not sure to stay I. Sidelines or not. If you can’t watch your stocks best to but gold is due for bounce into first of the next year per what I seen in patterns starting now or by end of year. Not watching now so maybe now. Best to those who are in but follow them if you can not sure how volitile it will be or what rabbits they pull.

here comes the monster PM stox selling

Posted by Maddog @ 15:36 on December 8, 2014  

huge offers in GDX.

Emmene-moi a la lune et laissez-moi jouer parmi les etoiles…etc JNUG going ballistic-it moved 30% off the days low…

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:34 on December 8, 2014  

gold’s up 15.50-jnug=43 mill vol


Is my screen right where it says First Majestic hit $3.81earlier, Canuck bucks?

Posted by macroman3 @ 15:28 on December 8, 2014  

ipso what happened?

Goldi–u make good points–gold up 14.30 now-huge volume coming in the past 2 hrs-jnug=41 mill shares

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:14 on December 8, 2014  

G clipped for 5.50 bucks off its just logged high of 1209.30 & S 11 cent- yet the

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:13 on December 8, 2014  

HUI is holding right at its high that is a 8 full points off its 161 low of the day. We live in interesting times-as I said last Monday: the majority would be surprised if gold–against all technicals–and the $ & crude & the jobs number & the FED…and against all odds….if gold is faking ALL of us out and undergoing a classic bottoming process that will shut everyone out …garnering few believers until it exceeds 1550…just saying…there’s a lonnnnnnnng way to go and

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of resistance…

What If

Posted by goldielocks @ 14:45 on December 8, 2014  

Instead of what people think the Fed goes the other way and they start printing instead down the road? Just a what if. Armstrong pointed out something interesting on oil. Said when Texas goes bust NY profits and vise Versa. In 08 that didn’t happen.

scum gonna have to be busy today, as it’s them versus everything.

Posted by Maddog @ 14:42 on December 8, 2014  
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