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Posted by Ororeef @ 23:55 on September 6, 2016  

scruffy/copper, re tptb

Posted by treefrog @ 23:30 on September 6, 2016  

in my opinion you each have a piece of the truth.  tptb, is a consortium, including the big banking interests (fed, rothschilds, others), the insurance industry (joined at the hip with the banksters), the political structures (with their millitaries as enforcers) and several other groups (media, educators, intel apparats, etc).  in many cases there is interlocking leadership/control – i.e. overlapping boards of directors.  they are all in each others’ pockets to one degree or another, and their actions loosely co-ordinated.

an interesting read is FRIDAY by robert a heinlein wherein the transnational corporations become major players on the world stage, launching attacks on the nation states.  it’s science fiction set in the future, one of heinlein’s best in my opinion.

Mr Copper

Posted by Scruffy @ 23:11 on September 6, 2016  

I think we disagree on who exactly the TPTB are.  Business is still under the thumb of the political bureaucracy and must pay homage to TPTB to get what they want.

Scruffy @ 20:19 goldielocks @ 20:44

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 22:21 on September 6, 2016  

Trust me, TPTB did not enjoy and want to create all those anti American measures. TPTB are big business. That 9/11 attack cost a lot of businesses a lot of money. Plus peoples anger at complying with all those new rules. Some travelers want all that scrutiny so they feel safer.

The USA was supposed to be an independent neutral nation, and not get involved in foreign entanglements. Most of the early immigrants came here to get away from Europe, and Europe eventually took us over. Now we are like them.

You could call what was going on globally, and business wise, a promiscuous deviant lifestyle, that culminated in 9/11, forcing TPTB to do all those bad things so they can CONTINUE their promiscuous deviant ways. Regime change, nation building, free trade, creating emerging markets etc. Big business has been profiting by arbitraging labor and taxes.

9/11 put the Kybosh (put an end to; dispose of decisively) on globalization, the prior ways of doing business ended that day. It was the grand sucker punch of all sucker punches.

Cold cocked like never before. Only 19 nuts caused all the problems. Nobody in the global PTB saw it coming. The huge militaries off all countries were useless, over rode by only 19 crazy religious fanatics.

Now what happened is extremely embarrassing and COSTLY for TPTB in many ways. Why would they do that to themselves? There is no way imo that TPTB engineered and created a 9/11 false flag.

You guys need to put more thought into it.

Mr C

Posted by goldielocks @ 20:44 on September 6, 2016  

By now you should have gotten some info.

Heres a little bit but the first part not posted is contrary to what the muslim states who took credit said about the atrack. Including the bombing of Lebanon.
1) The population has been prepared for a long term war where the number of U.S. casualties will be high (Washington Post Online September 21, 2001).

2) Bush creates a High Office of “Homeland Security” supposedly to protect Americans from attack. The job would involve coordination of government-wide domestic security efforts, including meshing domestic FBI and foreign CIA intelligence, working with U.S. military, emergency officials and state and local governments under the umbrella of FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the organization specifically set up to oversee Martial Law when it is openly declared.

The Homeland Defense position “would probably not need Senate confirmation, which other Cabinet jobs require, nor legislation to create” White House officials said. So there would be no investigation, oversight nor accountability for this person. (Reuters – Washington 9-21-01) (Perfect conditions to appoint a crony)

3) U.S. orders 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine for $343 million in preparation for a possible bioterrorism assault. The contract has been given to a small, Cambridge-based firm, Acambis, a British biotechnology company who reported a net loss of $8 million in the six months prior to June 30, unchanged from last year. (How convenient to get this huge order! It would be interesting to find out the conflict of interest issues here.) (Reuters News, London 9-20-01) PREPARING THE POPULATION TO EXPECT BIO-TERRORISM.

4) “America and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a ten year “war on terrorism” – Operation Noble Eagle – involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world.” (The Times – London 9-20-01)

5) The Senate OKs FBI Spying on the Internet: FBI agents soon will be able to spy on Internet users legally without a court order. Two days after the terrorist attack, the Senate approved the “Combating Terrorism Act of 2001” which enhances police wiretap powers and permits monitoring in more situations. The FBI’s surveillance system is called Carnivore. (Lycos Network 9-20-01) MORE CONTROL!

6) The U.S. Plans to overthrow Taliban and put Afghanistan under UN Control, according to The Guardian – London (9-21-01) NOTE: Yugoslavia is ALREADY under UN control. (MORE UN CONTROL)

7) A global surveillance system known as Echelon exists and has the ability to eavesdrop on telephone calls, faxes and e-mail messages, a European Parliament committee has concluded. (Lycos Network 9-20-01) MORE CONTROL!

8) Face-ID Technology gains new support. “State lawmakers who were planning to sponsor legislation restricting its use now say they are reassessing their plans.” MORE CONTROL! (Denver Post Capitol Bureau, 9-20-01)

9) “Experts See a High-Security America of Surveillance & Seizures”:New York: Security Experts in the United States are describing a new kind of country that could emerge, where electronic identification might become the norm, immigrants might be tracked far more closely and the airspace over cities like New York and Washington might be off-limits to all civilian aircraft.” (The International Herald Tribune 9-19-01) MORE SURVEILLANCE OF U.S. CITIZENS.

10) “Lawmakers See Need to Loosen Rules on CIA” Congressional leaders who oversee the nation’s intelligence system have concluded that America’s spy agencies should be allowed to combat terrorism with more aggressive tactics, including the hiring of unsavory foreign agents, including revived discussion of reversing the US 25 year ban on using covert agents to assassinate foreigners. R. James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA said that “Washington has absolutely undergone a sea change in thinking this week.” (New York Times, 9-16-01) MORE SURVEILLANCE OF U.S. CITIZENS!

11) NATO Announces a Third World War is Almost Upon Us. A pentagon spokesman hinted towards potential targets being Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, Syria and others. (NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson)

12) California Congresswoman, Mary Bono, R-Palm Springs warned that the country should prepare for a fight against international terrorists that will likely include personal sacrifice, the use of ground troops overseas and the risk of retaliation against civilians by the enemy. She also predicts intense scrutiny of airline passengers, a national system of fingerprinting and identification cards and the specter of chemical and biological attacks on the U.S. (The Desert Sun 9-18-01)

13) An enemy is needed to justify a $344 Billion War Budget, when the federal government currently spends only $42 billion on education, $26 billion on affordable housing and $1 billion on school construction.

14) President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress one week after the WTC/Pentagon attack, launching an emotional debate that will force U.S. politicians to choose between continued freedom for Americans or greater security. (Lycos Network 9-20-01) DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO WRITE ONE OF THESE BILLS? IT TAKES MONTHS! They are hundreds of pages long. THIS ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BEFORE THE ATTACK! How convenient! Wake up America!

15) “President George Bush focused his energy on building a GLOBAL ALLIANCE for a fight against terrorism…” (MSNBC 9-18-01) Here comes the New World Order!

16) Fast-Moving House Bill Restricts Liberties – Much of it Unrelated to Terrorism! Congress is being asked to rush to pass emergency anti-terrorist legislation written by the Department of Justice, but much of the legislation turns out to have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Instead, the legislation contains a host of items which have been on the bureaucratic wish lists for many years.

17) “We Must Ignore the Peace Lobby and Show No Restraint” says The Independent – London (9-24-01)

18) Bush Suspends Habeas Corpus: Legal Immigrants May Be Held Without Cause: “The Bush Administration today announced it is using its powers under the National Emergency Act to suspend the right of Habeas Corpus for all immigrants in the country, including legal immigrants, meaning that any immigrant in the U.S. right now can be held INDEFINITELY by the police or government WITHOUT TRIAL OR DEMONSTRATION OF CAUSE TO HOLD THEM.”

Though no one has yet suggested infringing the rights of U.S. citizens, the move is a frightening first step to a national tyranny, based on perpetual suspension of the Constitution in the name of fighting perpetual war.”

19) President Bush has agreed to bail out the airlines with BILLIONS of dollars, an industry that was swimming in red ink LONG BEFORE the WTC/Pentagon attacks.

20) New York City is now a Police State (New York Post 9-27-01)

21) Secrets, Gold, Silver, Guns And Drugs Lie Under WTC Rubble: “Vital evidence in the fight against organized crime and terrorism may be lost forever in the rubble of the World Trade Center… Beneath the haunting presence of thousands presumed dead, Ground Zero is rich with documents, guns, heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy and other evidence collected by the CIA and US Secret Service, evidence from crimes that now may never be prosecuted.” Also buried in the wreckage are millions of dollars in gold bars and art tresaures. ABC News reported growing concern at the presence of trucking firms and cleanup workers with organized crime connections. (New Zealand Herald – 10-8-01)

22) Following Attacks, Courtrooms Become Secret, Documents Sealed:”The U.S. terror investigation that has hauled in hundreds of Middle Easterners is being conducted with closed court hearings and sealed documents on a scale legal experts say may be unprecedented. Federal authorities have detained more than 500 people without releasing the paperwork that usually accompanies nearly any type of court proceeding.” (Associated press, Sacramento Bee, 10-5-01)

23) NATO to Deploy Surveillance Aircraft in U.S.: NATO will soon deploy surveillance aircraft for anti-terrorist operations in the United States in response to the attacks on New York and Washington, NATO officials said. (Reuters 10-7-01)

What was known BEFORE the attack –
and by whom?

1) Echelon Gave Authorities 3 Month Warning of Attacks – German Paper: Frankfurt, Germany – U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American culture, according to a story in Germany’s daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeiung (FAZ). Newsbytes.com

2) U.S. planned to attack Taliban BEFORE WTC/Pentagon Attacks: A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the U.S. was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last week’s attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. (BBC News 9-18-01)

3) Expert – Russia Knew In Advance…Encouraged Citizens to Cash Out Dollars:
Russian press accounts and other activities by the Russian government this summer indicate that the Russians knew in advance that something would happen to America, including a “financial attack” against the U.S. During the past three months, Russian media and officials have encouraged citizens to cash out of U.S. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an “attack.” (NewsMax.com 9-17-01)

4) FBI tracked man in custody 2 weeks before attacks: “Two weeks before the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link to those attacks”, according to CNN.

“The fact that FBI agents were at the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, two weeks before any attacks would seem to contradict the agency’s assertion that it was not aware of any connection between aviation schools and suspected terrorists. FBI Director Robert Mueller has stated publicly, “There were NO warning signs that I’m aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country,” (CNN.com 9-18-01) SOMEBODY IS LYING!

5) U.S. Pulled Plug on 500 Arab/Muslim Websites the Day BEFORE Jetliner Attacks: Five hundred websites – many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection – crashed when an anti-terrorism task force raided InfoCom Corporation in Texas. The 80-strong task force that descended upon the IT company included FBI agents, Secret Service agents, Diplomatic Security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts. (Brian Whitaker 9-12-01)

6) U.S. was warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings:The FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, The CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN. The plan was termed Project Bojinka. (Manila, Philippines CNN 9-18-01)

7) “U.S. Government Had Prior Knowledge of Emergency: The most massive so-called “terrorist” attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995, were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA. Among the foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were the French CIA and Israel’s The Mossad, units of both often working with one another.

“Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story. And they state that they informed the U.S. secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance.” (www.skolnicksreport.com 9-13-01) HOW INTERESTING!

8) Spy in the White House? “Terrorists” had Ultra Secret Codes on 911:(DEBKA Intelligence Files 9-22-01)

9) “Instant Messages to Israel Warned of WTC Attack.” Officials at the instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed that two employees received text messages warning (notifying?) of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before the event occurred. (The Washington Post Company, 10-1-01)

10) Did Israelis Have Foreknowledge? Suspected Israeli Agents Held by FBI: “At least three different groups of Israelis — some of whom may have ties to Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad — were taken into custody after eye-witnesses reported seeing them videotaping the initial kamikaze attack on the World Trade Center in New York, and then celebrating with joy and mockery.” The “Israeli tourists” were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts and other incriminating evidence. (American Free Press, 10-1-01) Other “illegal immigrants” arrested reportedly worked for an Israeli-owned “moving company” based in New Jersey.

American Free Press has received additional reports that one of the largest Israeli-owned moving companies in the area, Moishe’s Moving Systems, in Jersey City, has “at least 100” young Israeli men, between the ages of 22 and 35, working in what is described as a “fortress” with covered windows and concertina wire surrounding the premises near the entrance to the Holland Tunnel.”

11) FAA Warned of Violent Suspects Travel: “Two weeks before the Sept 11 attacks on the United States, The Federal Aviation Administration warned airlines and airports that individuals with links to terror networks were planning to fly on U.S. airlines, a Mexican magazine reported. The Aug 28 memo listed the names of suspects and ordered airlines and airports to take measures to prevent them from boarding passenger planes, the report said.” (Reuters, Mexico City 10-6-01)

12) More Unusual Market Activity Reported BEFORE Attacks: “Chicago traders on Wednesday cited unusual activity in airline options up to a month before attacks on U.S. landmarks, and German bankers reported brisk activity in reinsurer Munich Re shares, adding to speculation that those behind the attacks tried to profit from their acts. (Reuters 9-20-01)

So how come EVERYONE else knew this was going to happen? Why would the U.S. refuse to investigate when told, unless it was their own plan all along?


Mr Copper

Posted by Scruffy @ 20:19 on September 6, 2016  

“If you can bring to my attention, something regarding 9/11, that was GOOD for TPTB? I’d very much like to hear it.  ”

Here is my suggestion

What would be good for TPTB?   How about Homeland Security and the whittling away of more of our constitutional rights? I hate the thousand + page document that was ready 3 days after the “attack”  that just eliminated restrictions on many government activities and made huge intrusions into our privacy now permissible for the grubbermint.  Can you say “Non-Patriot Act”

@Ororeef 16:57 @goldielocks 16:29 @eeos 16:20 @Portugeezer 16:17

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 19:58 on September 6, 2016  

Re belief that the gov’t itself was responsible for 9/11? I do believe in conspiracies that benefit TPTB, since they killed JFK back in 1963.

JFK our first “Donald Trump”. Right after he got elected, he got rid of the WW II crowd in the White House, he was going to stop the Vietnam war, abolish the Fed Res, and started producing United States Notes versus Fed Res Notes. JFK was BAD for them.

He would have gotten 8 years, Robert would have gotten 8 years, and Teddy would have gotten 8 years so JFK had to go. He was actually more conservative than any US president after him. He was also very patriotic. Only Reagan was patriotic, but could not help us be independent and avoid the “sharing” of globalization.

TPTB would never have a conspiracy that was BAD for them. If you can bring to my attention, something regarding 9/11, that was GOOD for TPTB? I’d very much like to hear it.
The Gov’ts Mass Media and lies back then made him look bad to many people. As intended.

Farmboy @ 18:10 re Obama Gets no respect from World Leaders

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 19:22 on September 6, 2016  

Hi Farmboy, you got me thinking on that. Food for thought. Back in the day, there was a big “union of gov’ts” created. The USA, and every president since, got respect, because all the other leaders and or all other countries were constantly getting something for free from the USA.

You name it. Help during THEIR wars, rebuilding after their wars, absorbing some of their excess population, foreign aid, manufacturing businesses etc. It was all made possible with a strong dollar policy, ridiculous environmental laws and tax incentives for US businesses to move off shore.

After that meltdown, a major reversal in the global economy had to be started, via a LOWER dollar. (lower actually started after 2001, but 9/11 fouled them up) The MEANING or purpose of which was, it was “pay back time” for good ole USA. They all need to import from us.

I can’t put everything going on in a few paragraphs, but the bottom line is, China Japan Germany Europe etc liked everything the way it WAS. They didn’t want to go backwards. Many of them manipulated their currencies lower, to over ride a lower “pay back USA” dollar.

Many populous independent domestic movements in various countries have started in response to “pain” from that late ’08 meltdown. Being respectful to the representative of the global powers, that spread US wealth around the globe, and now needs “foreign aid” FROM them for a change does not fit.

Maya @ 12:56 Perfect Train Pic For Today !

Posted by Farmboy @ 18:28 on September 6, 2016  

How unpretentious as that train slides along, easing it’s way amongst the crowd of sheep. So few bothered, or even paying attention. The sheep content with their steady diet of ‘green feed’.

That surely must be a Gold Train !

Enjoying the ride, thanks, Farmboy

Hi Farmboy- I have a nice car underwater in HL too

Posted by eeos @ 18:28 on September 6, 2016  

I’m not feeling it after they had that collapse a couple years back, but I was too dumb to have sold when the going was good.

P.S. – Oops that was HL I was thinking of not CDE

eeos @ 18:04 Regrets? I Have a Few. :)

Posted by Farmboy @ 18:20 on September 6, 2016  

Noticed CDE was up over 10% today. I have none. 🙁
MUX & GPL came through with about 5%, I will gladly take it.

Dumped my VGC. It has been doing great, but turned red this afternoon. Something up with that but I did not have the time to find the reason why. It has been performing well of late, so decided to take some profits until I can look into why it started to lag.

Let’s see what Asia does with today’s run up over night. Hard to imagine, but tomorrow could be a repeat ?? Crimex Boyz standing down for some unknown reason. Maybe tired of getting run over by one of Maya’s Trains ? lol

Maddog @ 14:02 Hard To Decide Which Picture I Like Best,

Posted by Farmboy @ 18:10 on September 6, 2016  

the Putin/Obama handshake or the exposure of Hillary’s lying (cough)  tongue. Guess I will go with the handshake.

When my kids were in their rebellious teenage years I responded by perhaps being a little too tough on them. My philosophy was pretty simple, “I would rather have their respect than their love.” The basis in part was how I seen other parents raising their children, which was to give them anything and everything they wanted. I felt then, and still do today, that comes back to haunt you, and them, in spades in years to come.

One of Obama’s issues is he has no respect from World Leaders as evidenced by his ‘welcome mat’ by the Chinese, and from Putin’s actions. Ororeef posted something awhile back that talked about the difference between JFK, and our current Democrat leadership. Kennedy had some run ins during his tenure as President, and while they may not have thought much of him, they at least gave him the respect so deserved. Kennedy’s money couldn’t buy it, his courage, strength, and moral values where not for sale. Instead, I think they were forged on a PT Boat and in the aftermath of that night. It was his ‘Trial By Fire’ that would later make the man you had to respect even if you did not like. Obama, has nothing to respect, has earned no respect. And America has suffered for it.


My portfolio was up 4.6% today

Posted by eeos @ 18:04 on September 6, 2016  

Wish I would have never bought IAG and EGO. Some serious dead weight in both those turds

Hiya Scruffy, Silver Up 5 Days In a Row, How ‘Bout Dat ?

Posted by Farmboy @ 17:43 on September 6, 2016  


What a day!

Posted by Scruffy @ 17:09 on September 6, 2016  

My portfolio is up over 5%

Price of Gold

Price of Gold


The Buildings in NY

Posted by Ororeef @ 16:57 on September 6, 2016  

went down because of       “Spontainous Combustion”…..It dont take an Architect to figure that out !

(TWO IOU’s rubbing against one another)

Mr Cooper

Posted by goldielocks @ 16:29 on September 6, 2016  

In not a builder like Eeos but seen demolition of buildings after the Sylmar quake. After seeing how they went down it doesn’t take a trained eye to recognize it. They went down exactly the same way to assure no other structure were hit by debree so they go straight down to dust.  Plus number 7 which held papers of missing money as well as the same place in the pentagon that was hit according to Armstrong, he also mentioned in prison muslims were drawing pictures of the towers with planes crashing into them before they were hit.

I also believe from a great deal of certainty

Posted by eeos @ 16:20 on September 6, 2016  

That the planes that flew into the buildings were fly by wire and they crashed into their homing servers located within the towers


Posted by goldielocks @ 16:19 on September 6, 2016  

Yep and more than that since he seems to be bent or race. The muslims don’t care about in short blacks browns or whites or poverty, just expanding  and enriching themselves when they know their oil will run out one day and they’ll go back to being goat herders and fisherman. They use their religion like politics. The whites and informed Browns and blacks are getting in their way amd hope it stays that way.

ps oh yeah and the christians they can’t rule as well as other non muslims and athesist.

No Mr. Copper

Posted by eeos @ 16:18 on September 6, 2016  

I think it’s a new technological weapon of mass destruction, possibly even something that Tesla accidently helped discover. They definitely didn’t make the Nuke and electro magnetic pulse bombs and then decided, yep that’s it no more sophisticated weapons will be needed from here on out. So I can’t explain it in reasonable terms

Mr Cu.

Posted by Portugeezer @ 16:17 on September 6, 2016  

Looks to me like you just lost all credibility.

Did you even read about building 7?

That was a controlled demolition and it had to have been done well in advance.

If B7 was rigged for demolition then someone knew.

IF B7 was rigged to be brought down, then there is no reason to doubt that the twin towers were as well.

As for four planes vaporizing?  No need to comment more.

In fact I’d rather not discuss it any more. I am totally disgusted at how low the PTB can stoop. False Flag – no doubt.

JMHO, Rich

eeos @ 15:54

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:10 on September 6, 2016  

Are you saying they set up bombs in advance in those buildings, and set them off after the planes collided?

My view is it was new fangled cost saving construction methods not built to 1910 code, that depended on the floor joists to hold the side walls vertical.

Mr Copper

Posted by goldielocks @ 16:08 on September 6, 2016  

The power of the producers and unions were slowly being taken over by lobbiest. Just like some., not all unions got to greedy so goes lobbiest today. Like mandatory heathcare and vaccines along with outsourcing and insourcing.  It’s turning into a marxist monster. We again need reform including caps on how much CEOs get and equal representation of producers on boards. It’s unlikely the producers will vote there jobs away like a unknown on a board somewhere only looking at the dollar signs. Also producers should be vested in the company they work. After so much profits money should go back to them.

Some history of lobbiest.



Posted by Maddog @ 15:55 on September 6, 2016  

Another reason Putin may well hold Obummer in contempt for, is that all that PC behavior, Global Warming rubbish and the hatred of Israel etc was created by the USSR and fed to their usefull idiots in the West and gobbled up by the moronic Libs, like Obummer.In order to weaken the West.

Vlad knows exactly how all that happened, so when he meets Obummer who proudly wears his Lib credentials like a badge of honour……all Vlad see is a 1st class idiot…..so no wonder he holds him in total contempt.

okay Mr. Copper

Posted by eeos @ 15:54 on September 6, 2016  

I’m an architect. Do you know how many times I’ve seen steel girders dustify in mid-air? Only twice sir. Please explain it to me, you know I’m all ears. Just give me your analysis of what you see in the photo frame set. Because you KNOW how those silly columns collect so much dust on vertical surfaces. Laugh



and you know this is a “pancake collapse” FOR SURE!  the NIST has it spot on. Seriously? Do we now think they even looked at these photos before they wrote the report?


So what I’m telling you is that everything the MSM says are lies


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