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This is interesting contesting hollow steel shaft.

Posted by goldielocks @ 23:50 on April 30, 2018  

Mr Copper

Posted by goldielocks @ 22:49 on April 30, 2018  

So someone comes up with the steel and suddenly the answer. If it was why did it fall symmetrically from the strongest point. Think they were aware of that. You should read more when you have the time, might find it interesting.

goldielocks @ 18:47

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 22:03 on April 30, 2018  

I looked at a few parts of the link. They say, the bigger the explanation, the bigger the lie. Anyway, I also have a structural mechanical engineering background. I read a lot about the way the (new fangled) buildings were constructed.

They were not built the old fashioned way. They were built the modern “cheap skate way”. Not the old expensive 1910, tried and true way, four square construction. That’s why they collapsed. Before that day, nobody ever saw a high rise collapse. That’s why the firemen and equipment were so close to the buildings. They had no idea how cheaply they were built.

Basically, two objectives before they were built was use the minimum amount of steel, and they wanted more open spaces from wall to wall with no vertical beams getting in the way. So, it was a very ingenious new fangled method.

They constructed or created an outside perimeter of vertical steel columns bottom to top. Picture a big vertical hollow square tube. In the center of the square tube, for the elevators, they also had vertical steel beams top to bottom.

Then to keep the outer walls in line and parallel with the center beams, they connected them left to right with the cheap light flooring or roofing type girders, only designed just strong enough to hold the weight of contents. Or snow if its the roof.

There was no left right stresses on the girders. All they had to do was hold all the vertical stuff in place, from moving side to side, so they did NOT have to be strong at all. However, the flooring was the weakest link in the chain.

Melt or remove the flooring and it all falls down. Now we all know why old buildings were built the old fashion way. The ingenious new way is vulnerable to a fire. The engineers should have known that. And probably they did. But probably told themselves there would never be fire in there.

They did have some spray on insulation on those left right girders, allowing for a small fire in one section, but the plane crashed into the structure and pulverized the insulation, and the floors melted and down it all went.

Floridagold @ 20:01

Posted by ipso facto @ 20:58 on April 30, 2018  

I thought our $3.20 here was outrageous! Sheesh

Buygold @ 20:10

Posted by ipso facto @ 20:56 on April 30, 2018  

I haven’t read all the info yet so don’t know. If the documents say that the Iranians were trying to develop a nuclear weapon before the treaty then that won’t surprise anyone. If they are abiding by the terms of the treaty now then what’s the great hubbub? If the treaty can be tweaked-improved and the Iranians will go for it then that’s great.

Ipso – Nice post

Posted by Buygold @ 20:10 on April 30, 2018  

You would think the EU knows the Intel as well, but they need cheap Iranian Oil.

So…either the Intel is bullshit or they don’t care…

The question is that the only (reportedly) country in the M.E that has nukes is Israel, if true and Israel is the sworn enemy of Iran (according to Israel), why wouldn’t Iran want nukes?

Exhausting. Nothing helps pm’s regardless.

We are being duped IMHO

Sure hope this is not headed to the USA !

Posted by Floridagold @ 20:01 on April 30, 2018  

Vancouver Gas Prices Nearing $8 A Gallon — The Highest In North America

Want to fill up in Vancouver, British Columbia? It’ll cost you — a lot.

Gas prices surged to $160.9 a liter Sunday morning — almost $8 a gallon in USD.

Former Liberal Member of Parliament Dan McTeague, who now heads the petroleum industry watchdog GasBuddy.com, told CBC News that Vancouver has the dubious honor of having the highest gas prices anywhere in North America, from Alaska to Mexico.

“These are the highest prices that we have ever seen here in Vancouver,” he said. “We’re into uncharted territory here and extremely expensive for pretty much everyone.”

Although McTeague says the price spike has its roots in a low Canadian dollar and refinery breakdowns, Vancouver was one of the first cities in Canada to proudly unveil a carbon tax that has continued to escalate year after year. McTeague recently told Vancouver radio station News 1130 that taxes on gas sold in B.C. account for 50 cents of every liter, which is the highest energy taxes in North America.

The province of B.C. is also in an energy war with neighboring Alberta over the construction of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline, something environmental activists and the B.C. government oppose. In retaliation, Alberta introduced legislation last week to restrict oil and gas exports to B.C. that will push up prices even more.

McTeague estimates that the price will continue to rise as summer approaches.

Love ya Donald but I don’t support going to war for Israel or Nuttyyahoo – everything else is thumbs up

Posted by Buygold @ 19:54 on April 30, 2018  


The past five years of gold priced in fiat terms have been

Posted by Equisetum @ 19:52 on April 30, 2018  

taxing on my patience, but when I look at the 5-year chart expressed in the fiat I use when I buy or sell an ounce of gold, I have to remind myself that things are not too bad.  Every once in awhile I need to accept that gold nudging up towards the 1700 per ounce level is acceptable for the time being.



Mr Copper

Posted by goldielocks @ 18:47 on April 30, 2018  

Did you read the article on the physics including witness and the fire chief?
Here’s a longer one 60 of them.
How or why it would happen would be the next question but it got us in another war we didn’t want ” again” didn’t it.

re 9/11

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 18:35 on April 30, 2018  

So what you are saying is the enemy had bombs set up, and were detonated after the planes flew into the buildings? It all sounds like some kind of religious beliefs. Why would anybody put bombs in ahead of time? Aren’t the plane collisions good enough??

I want to meet the scientists that are saying there were bombs inside first. And then what? Wait until the planes come? Or did the Arabs put the bombs there first? And then go home, hijack the planes and crash them, and the other Arabs lit the fuse? ?

Mr Cooper

Posted by goldielocks @ 18:12 on April 30, 2018  

There are scientist that would disagree and give their reasons. That it had to be done by controlled demolition.

The Latest: EU says Netanyahu doesn’t show Iran broke deal

Posted by ipso facto @ 18:04 on April 30, 2018  


9/11 was on TV, as planes flew into the buildings, fire started melted the floors, and the sides caved in.

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 17:28 on April 30, 2018  

They were not built to 1910 codes. They used hardly any steel. Hollow shells. Even the surrounding building #7 I think collapsed because of fire melted the floor joists .

Nope there’s no logical way the buildings could have fallen in 12 seconds

Posted by eeos @ 16:51 on April 30, 2018  

All you have to do is study the photographic evidence. These buildings collapsed from the top down, it’s a fact. I can’t explain to you how it was done, this is something that needs to unravel itself. I didn’t claim the buildings were wired with explosives. How do we know it was not a directed energy weapon ? Do you think they just stopped at the atomic and neutron bombs? Okay we’re going to throw in the towel here,  no more development of weapons and people just sat on their hands for the last 70 years…lol. remember you can’t choose and pick the laws of physics you agree with and just disregard the others.


Posted by goldielocks @ 16:45 on April 30, 2018  

Well said however.. You can’t have a honest dialogue with someone with so much contempt for diversity of knowledge and facts if it doesn’t fit in their allegiance to their progressive ideology and victimology while demanding others to see things their way while they never give you the same respect. The childish double standard of the self proclaimed entitled. They don’t talk to you they talk at you. The know it all even if you point out they don’t or isn’t their knowledge their selling. There isn’t even honesty between themselves. All you’ll get in the end is a self perpetuated victim in denial that its never their fault no one listens to him anymore.

And honestly you answered your own question

Posted by eeos @ 15:58 on April 30, 2018  

 This means that the law of conservation would have prevented a pancake collapse from happening. Because all of the material was pulverized. If it were pulverized you can’t have the sum of mass+ velocity to come up with the momentum for a pancake collapse. You can’t have energy going into pulverization and also collapsing the floor below it. Sorry couldn’t happen, there’s not enough kinetic energy. Remember conservation of energy does not allow energy to be used twice. And in the end you would have a skyscraper reduced to 30 stories or possibly 40 stories remaining not 4 to 6 stories of rubble. You’re stuck in a circular reference. You have failed logic

Pyroclastic clouds are certainly man-made too

Posted by eeos @ 15:47 on April 30, 2018  

It doesn’t take a volcano to create one ellidiot. Go look at any building implosion you’re going to see traces of them. You still can’t explain why these buildings fell in 12 seconds. Does that look like a pancake collapse fruitcake?

Stunning finding reveals autism is highest in areas with the highest vaccination rates

Posted by ipso facto @ 15:43 on April 30, 2018  

Natural News) The surge of autism diagnoses in recent years has left many people looking for an explanation. Oft-labeled a “conspiracy theory,” or something to that effect, the suspicion that vaccines are a potential cause of autism is on the rise. New research from the Canadian government has indirectly shown that in highly vaccinated populations, autism rates are noticeably higher. These shocking findings are sure to leave vaccine propagandists reeling while they try to somehow discredit the findings of a government agency.

cont. https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04-30-autism-is-highest-in-areas-with-the-highest-vaccination-rates.html#

Gold never holds gains related to an event-even 9-11 had gold up only 2 days if I remember correctly…

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:18 on April 30, 2018  


Posted by ipso facto @ 14:49 on April 30, 2018  

Apologies for the shaky sketch …done with my fingertip

Posted by Alex Valdor @ 14:07 on April 30, 2018  

But I think you can get the idea :


EEOS – excellent photo to illustrate a point

Posted by Alex Valdor @ 13:49 on April 30, 2018  

In physics , very fine particulate such as smoke tends to remain aloft . Extremely fine powder falls very slowly , so finely ground particles probably make up the plume being blown downriver by the wind .

If one is at the edge of a cliff , and throws a stone horizontally off the cliff , the horizontal velocity does not change significantly once the rock leaves your hand ( air drag could slow it a tiny amount , which can be ignored ) . Gravity , however starts pulling the rock downward , accelerating it at a little over 32 ft. per second per second . That is , after one second it is falling at a rate of 32 ft./second . After two seconds , it is falling at 64 feet per second , after three seconds it is falling at 96 feet per second , etc.

The path the rock traces is a parabola . It keeps traveling horizontally at a fixed velocity , but vertically it falls faster and faster until it hits the ground .

If you look at the photograph closely , you see that defining parabolic shape in the outline of the collapsing building .

scum making Mkts say not impressed by Bibi’s war.

Posted by Maddog @ 13:39 on April 30, 2018  

Bibi’s got the evidence and with Bolton in the Whitehouse,

Posted by Maddog @ 13:27 on April 30, 2018  

who hasn’t had a war for a whole week or more….the scum will have their hands full.


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