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commish @ 19:40

Posted by goldcountry @ 22:09 on April 17, 2018  

that’s a good one from Pieczenik, thanks

@ Elliot – a question – the Pentagon

Posted by drb2 @ 22:06 on April 17, 2018  

Hi Elliot,

I am not trying to Monkey Pile on you here, but please remember you brought up the subject.

I would like in the worst way to believe that 911 is just as the media sells it.  But the problem for me, even as I watched it happen live, is that it doesn’t pass the “smell test” in so many ways.

One of those for me is the Pentagon. I have trouble imagining that the Pentagon did not foresee such an attack.  Tom  Clancy sure did.

Where were their defenses?  Surely, at least, they had every square inch under CCTV coverage.  All we got to see was some grainy pics from a parking lot or somewhere.

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that.

I wonder how the scum force these schmucks to stay quite about the real Rig ???

Posted by Maddog @ 20:51 on April 17, 2018  

Do they just tell them they are dead, if they don’t take the rap and keep quite ???

Gold Manipulation, Spoofing Futures And Banging Fixes: Same Banks, Same Trading Desks

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-17/gold-manipulation-spoofing-futures-and-banging-fixes-same-banks-same-trading-desks

Elliot 19:29

Posted by Samb @ 19:51 on April 17, 2018  

The interior steel core was not in any way affected by the pancake collapse of  concrete floors. It was completely independent of them. At most, the elevator banks and stairwells could have collapsed but, the core steel column would still stand… free of them. Remember the rectangle dimensions that I gave you….133 feet x 87 feet [x2] ?  That is open space all the way up to the 110 floor for the elevator banks and stair wells. The stairwells had minimal cosmetic ceilings. So, here we had a massive, thick steel structure essentially free from  floor weight. Try again Elliot or if you prefer keep on chuck a lugging with your kool aid denial. Reality is a bitch… it might even crash your world down.

Elliott @ 17:04 Re Trump and The Powers That Be

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 19:46 on April 17, 2018  

Some things to think about. The same PTB that hate Trump gave him TONS of media time during and after the campaign. They also gave Hillary TONS of negative coverage. Briefly, there is always a group involved ahead of time. Meetings discussions etc. There was even a “group” of like minded people around Hitler, who LOVED they way he talked. So they chose him to do all the talking and run for office to get the most the votes for the group.

Nobody knows exactly how the situation unfolded, but I’m thinking the original “group” of PTB during Obama had already started after the ’08 crash to replenish the US economy out of necessity.

If anyone remembers, everything started reversing, starting with “no more looking the other way,” where or when the public and or waste of taxpayer money are getting screwed. Madoff for starters. Also the news was “Obama throwing Israel under the bus” and “Obama” is cutting back on the Military”. Also very slight improvements for the economy re trade. A few corporations came here, Michelin tires and an Airbus was built in Ala.

Evidently, the whole group changed its plan, or PART of the group spun off and said, “screw that original plan.  It was progressing too slow, and the economy might tank.”  “Plus we LIKE Israel, and we LOVE the military.” “We can’t go on trying to save taxpayer dollars anymore” “We have nothing to lose” “We need to do what we always did. Increase the national debt first”

Plus all the other things we see re trade taxes etc. I say they are going for double or nothing, hoping the economy will get better fast and pay down the debt before the next crisis. This was a very brief explanation.

read this Elliot

Posted by igold @ 19:46 on April 17, 2018  

America First—R.I.P.

With the big drop in the VIX today and this panic into the FANG stocks, I’m going back to looking for short plays again-I thought stocks were off to the races.

Posted by Richard640 @ 19:44 on April 17, 2018  
Netflix just reported.  Their stock soared and is a few bucks from an all-time high. The company has negative cash flow, a forecast of negative cash flow for the foreseeable future, an escalation in debt and revenue that implies the firm will never have positive cash flow and, to break that the company would have to expand subscribers (without spending a single additional dollar) by something like a factor of five, quadruple the subscription price (!) or some blend of the two — all without having to spend even more on content.  They have an alleged “enterprise value” (market cap) of some three hundred times EBIDTA and are carrying roughly three times as much debt off their balance sheet as reported on it.   This is true even with the insane cross-subsidy they forced ISPs to collect from non-customers during the Obama years — and which persists to this day in the United States.
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IBM Tumbles After “Beating” Thanks To Grotesque Adjustments, -47.5% Effective Tax Rate

IBM once again tried to fool investors with a kitchen sink of adjustments and one-time items. Not this time…

Elliot – Thanks for the quick response

Posted by Buygold @ 19:43 on April 17, 2018  

Good deal. Glad to hear you believe in pm manipulation, so there is some common ground.

So, if the gov’t and by extension Wall Street, lies to us about free and fair markets – which pm’s are obviously not free, and I expect not just pm’s but now all markets.

Why would the Gov’t tell us the truth about anything else?

You stated earlier that we (the US ) were the leaders of the free world, therefore we had the right to remove “dictators” and “tyrants” at will. Are we truly free? I’m a slave to the US Gov’t thru taxation – I work at least 5 months a year for them. I don’t feel free. The US Gov’t IMHO is tyrannical. We here in the US have the illusion of “freedom”. Try not paying your taxes that go to pay for foreign wars to see if we are truly free. Who will we allow to remove our tyrants?

 

Art Of The Deal (5 min)

Posted by commish @ 19:40 on April 17, 2018  

samb: you suffer from target fixation

Posted by Elliott @ 19:29 on April 17, 2018  

From wikipedia:  you can look it up yourself

Mechanics of Twin Towers’ collapse

Both buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down, though there was some tilting of the tops of the towers and a significant amount of fallout to the sides. In both cases, the section of the building that had been damaged by the airplanes failed, which allowed the floors above the impact zone to fall onto the undamaged structure below. As the collapse progressed, dust and debris could be seen shooting out of the windows several floors below the advancing destruction, caused by the sudden rush of air from the upper levels. The first fragments of the outer walls of the collapsed North Tower struck the ground 11 seconds after the collapse started, and parts of the South Tower after 9 seconds. The lower portions of both buildings’ cores (60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) remained standing for up to 25 seconds after the start of the initial collapse before they too collapsed.[14]

Simple representation of the collapse of the North Tower

While the buildings were designed to support enormous static loads, they provided little resistance to the moving mass of the sections above the floors where the collapses initiated. Structural systems respond very differently to static and dynamic loads, and since the motion of the falling portion began as a free fall through the height of at least one story (roughly three meters or 10 feet), the structure beneath them was unable to stop the collapses once they began. Indeed, a fall of only half a meter (about 20 inches) would have been enough to release the necessary energy to begin an unstoppable collapse.[54]

Collapse initiation

After the planes struck the buildings, but before the buildings collapsed, the cores of both towers consisted of three distinct sections. Above and below the impact floors, the cores consisted of what were essentially two rigid boxes; the steel in these sections was undamaged and had undergone no significant heating. The section between them, however, had sustained significant damage and, though they were not hot enough to melt it, the fires were weakening the structural steel. As a result, the core columns were slowly being crushed, sustaining plastic and creep deformation from the weight of floors above. As the top section tried to move downward, however, the hat truss redistributed the load to the perimeter columns. Meanwhile, the perimeter columns and floors were also being weakened by the heat of the fires, and as the floors began to sag they pulled the exterior walls inwards. In the case of 2 WTC, this caused the eastern face to buckle, transferring its loads back to the failing core through the hat truss and initiating the collapse. In the case of 1 WTC, the south wall later buckled in the same way, and with similar consequences.[55]

Total progressive collapse

The collapse of the World Trade Center has been called “the most infamous paradigm” of progressive collapse.[56] Once the collapse initiated, the mass of failing floors overwhelmed the floors below, causing a progressive series of floor failures which accelerated as the sequence progressed. Soon, large portions of the perimeter columns and possibly the cores were left without any lateral support, causing them to fall laterally towards the outside, pushed by the increasing pile of rubble. The result was that the walls peeled off and separated away from the buildings by a large distance (about 500 feet in some cases), hitting other neighboring buildings. Some connections broke as the bolts snapped, leaving many panels randomly scattered.[57] Significant parts of the naked cores

Buygold: In response to your question

Posted by Elliott @ 19:09 on April 17, 2018  

Yes, I do believe that gold and silver have been manipulated, always have been.  I have been a gold/silver investor since early 2000 and I have seen the shenanigans by the banks, market makers, and governments….sometimes unintentionally.  The gold and silver markets are small and thus easily manipulated by big banks and market makers through naked short selling and other techniques.  However, there is a limit to the manipulation and the growing world-wide debt loads that are rapidly increasing will eventually cause fiat currencies to suffer and fail.  I think that gold and silver are solid holds.

Well Elliot

Posted by Buygold @ 19:01 on April 17, 2018  

I’ll give you this – you stirred up the pot and got a good debate going here at the tent. Kudos

Gotta love the folks that buy everything Good Ol’ Uncle Sam is selling!

I do have a question since we’re turning our focus to pm’s – are pm’s manipulated or is that just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory?

Elliot @ 16:05

Posted by Samb @ 17:18 on April 17, 2018  

No Elliot, you lack credibility regarding your kool aid acceptance of the Trade Towers collapse. Remember that I told you that I watched those towers being built? The inner core steel column was immense …133feet by 87 feet. [ x2] That is of 6 inch thick steel pounded deep into the bedrock and extending 110 stories to the roof. It was completely independent of the trade towers structure and design. So the floors and exterior could completely collapse and it would have no effect on this massive steel core. A massive fuel driven fire might buckle it a bit near point of impact but, that steel column would easily survive. The purpose of that core steel was to independently support the elevator banks and the stairwells for 110 stories. The only way to bring it down would be to cut it into pieces. Yet, poof! it’s gone…who is kidding who?

Mr. Copper, re: “Trump does not own anyone anything”

Posted by Elliott @ 17:04 on April 17, 2018  

I do not think he was picked by TPTB because he has fought the powers throughout his campaign and made some bitter enemies in both parties by fighting against the “system”.  He has won a lot of converts this past year as many American voters will vote to reelect him and throw out those Republicans who fought him…we will see.  I think a lot of Democrat Senators in red states are going to lose their seats.  Even if Democrats win control of the House, which I doubt at this point, the Republican Senate will keep the Trump momentum going forward.

Yeah, I loved George Carlin too.

Mark Mobius says there’s a 30% correction coming for U.S. stocks

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:41 on April 17, 2018  

part:

“I can see a 30% drop,” said Mobius, who launched one of the world’s first emerging market funds. “When consumer confidence is at an all time high, as it is in the U.S., that is not a good sign.

“The market looks to me to be waiting for a trigger that will cause it to tumble. You can’t predict what that event might be — perhaps a natural disaster or war with North Korea.”

Mobius, who predicted the start of the bull market in 2009, has concerns that any fall would be amplified by the increasing use of exchange traded funds, which account for nearly one-half of all trading in U.S. stocks. His fear is ETFs would trigger further drops once markets fall.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mark-mobius-says-theres-a-30-correction-coming-for-us-stocks-2018-04-17

Re Trump “he is not owned by anyone”

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:34 on April 17, 2018  

How do we know he was not recruited and unleashed by TPTB, because their old system was failing. And Trump predicted it long ago. And also mentioned he would run for president if it got important to do so.

TPTB knew his rhetoric, and probably knew he was right back in the late ’80s. But wanted to keep their system (of spreading US wealth) going a little longer. He’s the perfect spokesperson for reversing the past. No scripts needed. Its all in his head.

Me, Ross Perot, and George Carlin were the original Trumps. 🙂

Very interesting, President Trump meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister

Posted by Elliott @ 16:18 on April 17, 2018  

President Trump began meetings with the leader of Japan on Tuesday by saying he support talks by North and South Korea to formally end a state of war that has lasted more than six decades.

“They have my blessing on that,” Trump said after welcoming Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to his Mar-a-Lago estate for talks that center on trade as well as efforts to end North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

With Abe at his side, Trump repeated that he plans to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, perhaps in early June — but also raised the possibility that the meeting might be called off because of lack of agreement over an agenda.

President Trump is a shrewd businessman and is a smart guy.   He is not a politician.  He has made significant changes to our government and our economy because he is not owned by anyone but the American people and he is attempting to make good on all of his promises.  How often have you seen that in the last 30 years?

Everything We “Know” Was Taught, or Told To Us By “Their” Media

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 16:16 on April 17, 2018  

I find it hard to believe anything they say. And or their “films” of alleged evidence.

Hey Portugeezer, you are wrong about me

Posted by Elliott @ 16:05 on April 17, 2018  

You wrote:  “We don’t all believe everything, but our minds are open enough to investigate everything. Sorry, but we do not wear tin-foil hats, that is just one of the derogatory labels that democratic followers of Obama and Clinton have devised.  We believe in small government, the right to protect ourselves and Precious Metals. Welcome to the tent.”

I am a conservative, and a Trump supporter.  I have voted for Ronald Reagan four times, twice for Governor and twice for President.  I disagree with your assessment of the importance of the Syrian pipelines.  The US coalition forces struck chemical weapons sites, not pipelines.  The Russians will whither on their energy vine if they do not change their ways, they certainly have nothing else to offer the world.  The US is exporting oil and gas to Europe (and is increasing that daily) to screw with the Russians and lessen their ability to blackmail the Europeans.

Your “open thinking” at times is more like the wind blowing through holes in your logic and in regards to the WTC and Pentagon attacks lacks all credibility.  Conspiracy theories by people have always existed and do not classify a person as liberal or conservative because illogical thinking, and failure to accept facts is something that characterizes some “special people on the left and right.

ELLIOTT-me too!-NETFLIX up $30 today [Ponzi World]

Posted by Richard640 @ 16:02 on April 17, 2018  

Netflix peaked concurrent with the casino, the last two times…

 

Gold is up about 9$ off the morning low

Posted by Elliott @ 15:53 on April 17, 2018  

Lessening tensions over Syria.  Is this the beginning of the big gold breakout? I am starting to feel good about this.

Well! Well! This is a horse of a different color…

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:41 on April 17, 2018  

VIX Crashes To A 14 Handle

FYI….I just hate to join a possee but I just got a feeling that…..

Posted by Richard640 @ 15:28 on April 17, 2018  
Type Price Act. Price Time-in-Force Reported
Filled Buy to Open 200 SLV Apr 20 2018 16.0 Call Limit 0.06 15:26:55 04/17/18

Goldie

Posted by Portugeezer @ 15:19 on April 17, 2018  

Reliable evidence – a subjective term, I would rule it out like unnamed witnesses.

Elliot, are you even aware of the gas pipeline routes, the real reason for the attacks on Syria. Did you know that this has been planned for more than ten years? Did you know that the countries that don’t have a central bank are top of the hit-list along with the oil-rich countries.  Did you celebrate when the murderous witch Clinton said “we came, we saw, he died” the most sickening thing I have ever heard spoken.  That has led to countless deaths and the rape and murder of millions of Moslems and some Christians by the factions that took over.

Taking out a Dictator is not your business or mine.  It is for the country or for its citizens to do so.  Even if he is threatening the US$ by issuing a Gold Dinar – but you knew that and just chose to ignore it.

You are not the only one on this board that thinks the US Citizen is exceptional and that the government would never kill 3,000 citizens.  He will not read links we post and I imagine that you would not bother to read the “Architects and Engineers for Truth” if I posted the link.  There is one other who claims that a paper fire can bring down a steel frame building, and we have lived with him since inception.  So, do as you said you would, keep to the subject matter and we will get along fine.

Please don’t bother replying to this message, we have been through all of this a dozen times.

Finally, yes, we do believe what your ilk calls Conspiracy Theories, we believe there have been many false flag events in recent years, we check out chemtrails and UFO sightings.  We don’t all believe everything, but our minds are open enough to investigate everything. Sorry, but we do not wear tin-foil hats, that is just one of the derogatory labels that democratic followers of Obama and Clinton have devised.  We believe in small government, the right to protect ourselves and Precious Metals. Welcome to the tent.

Rich

 

Lets face it. From March 2009?

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 15:09 on April 17, 2018  

The economy, the stocks, and the real estate mkt, have been doing very good for 9 years now. The Trump effect since summer 2016 may be wearing out and or have been, giving a head wind for a natural decline in all three. Plus a friend sent me the note below.

“I follow an options trading website. They have been fairly accurate about describing the moves in the S&P by looking at the implied volatility of the futures. Its all new to me but it is astonishingly accurate. They can only measure the degree of the move up or down. However, the guy that runs this site is totally bearish in his option positions. He said last night he believes the S&P will hit 2575 before the end of the week!!  Wow. That would be quite a reversal. And, as I always say, watch the last 30 minutes of market action and trading today. ”

“The volatility indexes have sold off in the recent few days and it may be time for volatility to return.”

 

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