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This IMO is the equivalent of the USA Frontline Doctors. It is obvious from this letter that Australia is under the same unfair pressures and agendas as many other countries, and maybe even more. The gist of this is end the lockdowns and get the country back to work.

Posted by silverngold @ 22:40 on September 1, 2020  

A Doctors’ Open Letter to Daniel Andrews

Dear Premier,
We, the undersigned, are senior medical practitioners of various specialities who practice in Victoria and are deeply concerned with the Victorian government’s management of the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) viral pandemic as a public health issue.

The purpose of this letter is to make you aware that not all medical practitioners are in agreement with the Chief Medical Officer and the Victorian government regarding the most effective way to control this disease. We believe that an alternative medical response is required that reflects what we know about the spread of the virus, those who have died from it, and the impact that the stage 3-4 lockdown restrictions are having on the physical and mental health of the general population.

For the sake of people in Victoria with other medical illnesses, it is vital that Stage 4 restrictions be lifted on schedule in mid-September.

This letter details our concerns and recommendations. We are ready to offer any assistance we can to help create and implement a revised, effective and just response to the Victorian situation; to this end we would be pleased to meet with you at your convenience to discuss the matter further.

Government Response to Covid-19 and Available Data

Focusing on the numbers of cases of COVID-19 is at best an unsophisticated way of looking at disease management. Factors such as the side effects of any policy, its cost effectiveness, the quality of life years lost, and the cost per life saved are fundamental when considering disease management. In addition, any policy to manage any disease must be reviewed in light of new data.

We believe that the government’s initial response to handling COVID-19, via a stage 3 lockdown to ‘flatten the curve’, was reasonable in view of the limited information available at the time on the outbreak in China and the alarming number of deaths in Italy. The initial response, though arguably excessive, was still highly effective in preserving medical capacity and allowing time to co-ordinate a full medical response, with the community accepting that the social and economic consequences were reasonable and for the common good.

However, we now know that whilst COVID-19 is highly contagious, it is of limited virulence.

Whilst an accurate cause of death of a person can be difficult to determine, we are told that since March 2020, 565 Victorian patients have died either with or from the virus (31st August numbers). This compares with annual Victorian deaths of approximately 10,000 patients with cardiovascular disease and 11,000 with cancer. Accordingly, the COVID-19 deaths are a relatively small proportion of the 114 deaths per day that are normally seen in Victoria. In comparison, since the start of March COVID-19 has been associated with 3 of the 114 deaths per day.

Most of the 565 deaths have occurred in nursing homes which according to doctors currently working in this environment have described causal factors related not only to the virus but to other care related issues, including isolation, loneliness, and related diminished nutritional intake.

However, in Victoria we have had 541 LESS deaths this July compared to July last year. (3,561 deaths compared to 4,102 deaths in July 2019).

In Australia last year, 2019, in the month of July alone we had 71,000 new laboratory confirmed cases, and a total of 313,000 laboratory confirmed cases of influenza for the year. This is only a fraction of the actual total cases of influenza, as many cases go untested.

In August 2017 we had 99,000 new laboratory confirmed cases of Influenza and a total of over 250,000 cases for the year.

During 2017 and 2019 Influenza resulted in 25-30,000 hospital admissions and up to 2500 ICU admissions across Australia. Three per cent of hospital admissions were pregnant women and up to 18 per cent were under the age of 16.

The deaths from Influenza each and every year is between 3500 and 4000, according to the Australian Influenza Specialist Interest Group website and the Australian Bureau of Statistics. This is despite recent excellent rates of vaccination in the vulnerable population and millions of vaccinations utilised each year. (2020,18 million, 2019 13.2 million, 2018 11 million, 2016 8.3 million)

The vast majority of deaths associated with COVID-19 have occurred in frail people over 80 years, many of whom also had significant co-morbidities. In Victoria more than 73 per cent of known COVID-19 deaths resided in nursing homes. (381 out of 524 and 30 out of 52 in NSW, as of August 30).

For people who are physically well and under 60 years of age, the mortality risk is extremely low. Contrary to what you have said, Mr Andrews, the virus DOES discriminate. See graphs below.

Since June 2020, the death rate has risen sharply in aged care facilities where the risk of transmission of COVID-19 has been unacceptably high. However, the government, and the doctors advising it, have not reviewed their policy in order to focus on this vulnerable segment of the population. Instead, stage 3-4 lockdowns for the whole community have continued for no apparent scientific reason.

Medical and Social Consequences

As medical practitioners, it is our collective experience that patients are presenting later to us with their medical complaints. Specialist referrals from GPs, and indeed GP workload, have fallen dramatically due to patients’ reluctance to leave home in fear of acquiring the virus.  As a direct consequence of this delay, many will have poorer prognoses. This has especially been the case with consultants who treat cancer. A study in the UK estimated an extra 4000 deaths from not screening the four main cancers alone and not from lack of treatment.

In addition, it is our professional opinion that the stage 4 lockdown policy has caused unprecedented negative economic and social outcomes in people, which in themselves are having negative health outcomes. In particular, it has caused or exacerbated depression, anxiety and other mental health issues, as well as contributed to domestic violence, through an extreme and unjustified disruption to family, social and work life. Job losses, home schooling, the isolation of the elderly and single people and the restriction on the number of people who may attend funerals, are but a few examples of how the government’s current response is harming the health of the general population.

In short, the medical, psychological and social costs of the lockdown are disproportionately enormous compared to the limited good being done by current policies, and are relevant factors to be taken into account by any responsible government.

Proposed Amendments to the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 (Vic)

We further note with much concern, that the proposed amendment to the Public Health and Wellbeing Act that would effectively allow the government to continue its current policy to manage COVID-19 even if there were to be zero cases over a period of time. This is unfathomable and certainly contrary to the objects of the Act, which require accountability, proportionality and collaboration to be fulfilled.

Specifically, the legislation explicitly mandates that the government’s decisions on public health initiatives must be transparent, systematic and appropriate, with members of the public given access to reliable information in appropriate forms to facilitate a good understanding of the issue. In addition, the legislation acknowledges that decisions will be enhanced through collaboration between all levels of government and industry, business, communities and individuals.

Recommendations

For all these reasons, ordinary sensible people if properly informed, should inevitably conclude that the current government policy is ill focused, heavy-handed, and unjustifiable as a proportionate response to the risks posed by COVID-19 to the public’s health.

As the virus is not going away soon, and an effective vaccine may not be available for a considerable period of time, if at all, we respectfully call upon the government to do the following:

1/ The State of Emergency not be continued past September 13 with an agreement made for parliament to be allowed to openly discuss and debate appropriate medical plans to manage the current COVID-19 crisis. A panel of non-politically aligned medical and health-related experts be selected by a bi-partisan parliamentary group to provide the transparent and active role of informing and advising government decisions and responses to the epidemic.

2/ Ensure adequate measures, testing, and protection of the vulnerable, especially those in aged residential care environments and their families and carers.

3/ Clearly communicate to the public the medical evidence-base, objectives and timelines of any proposed future management plans, with open disclosure of the processes and negative consequences, to inform those discussions and decisions.

4/ A broader focus be given to the health and well-being of Victorians, by utilising all relevant available data and by calculating the costs and harms, including the social, economic, family, emotional, psychological and spiritual impacts on the community, of any decisions and plans to manage the COVID-19 crisis, thereby explaining and justifying the merits of these plans as a reasonable and  proportionate response.

5/ To review regularly the outcomes of any management decisions and demonstrate a willingness to modify plans as new data and insights become available.

Thank you for your time in reading this letter.  We look forward to your early response.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Geoff Wells, Urologist, Box Hill Hospital, Private Practice.

Mr Bob Millar, Transplant Surgeon, Royal Melbourne Hospital

Mr Jon Bare, Orthopaedic Surgeon, Monash Hospital, Private Practice.

Professor Nathan Grills, Public Health Physician, University of Melbourne.

Professor John Murtagh, Emeritus Professor AO Academic General Practitioner

Professor Haydn Walters, Respiratory Medicine, University of Tasmania.

Professor Kuruvilla George, Psychiatrist,

Mr Peter Denton, General Surgeon

Mr William Edwards, Orthopaedic Surgeon, Private Practice.

Dr Andrew Taylor, Gastroenterologist, St Vincent’s Hospital

Mr Michael Knight, Orthopaedic Surgeon, Private Practice.

Dr John Mathai, Psychiatrist,

Dr Eamonn Mathieson, Anaesthetist, Private Practice.

eeos @ 15:33. Just out of curiosity I wonder what your dad Eagle Eye and your big brother soee think about what is evolving and surfacing out of this Covid-19 mess??

Posted by silverngold @ 17:20 on September 1, 2020  

I don’t know your brother that well but since I was called Eagle Eye by all my friends during my youth I kinda felt a kinship with your dad Eagle Eye who I “met” on one of the PM forums of the past.  To me that name meant more than great eyesight. It also meant an intuitive mind that could often “see” beyond the physical. That’s what has made me call “bullshit” to many things in my life, and currently this Covid-19. It just has never passed the “smell test”, but for some  reason  my posts  seems to draw anger from you. So if you don’t mind my asking, what is your dad Eagle Eye “seeing”?  I’d appreciate knowing. Thanks!

FWIW

Posted by diamondhead @ 17:19 on September 1, 2020  

I,for one, am pleased with the informative videos being presented, do I watch every one? No. Do I watch them all to the end? No. I can only handle about 20 min. Do I believe everything they are saying? I try and keep an open mind, mull it over in my head, and try to detect an agenda. Concerning the current events, The way the government leaders, and mainstream media are handling it makes me question what is going on.    We have had other flu, virus, whatevers, and they never closed up, locked down like this before. Not much makes sense, no logic…I’m on Oahu, Hawaii. Today, the government closed a major highway with a tunnel that goes from one side of the island to the other, so they could set up drive thru covid testing. It’s not mandatory, but if you go, then after the test, you keep driving to take another route home. By the way, the test is done in the tunnel! Rather strange way of doing things. We can go to Costco, Home depot, and Walmart, etc. but the library is closed, hiking trails, and parks are closed, we can swim, surf, etc. but no walking, or laying on the beach. To me it is absurd! I won’t get in to the mask controversy!  Last part of my rant: I would not be surprised if Warren Buffet already sold his stock in Barrick. He knew once it was announced he bought it, that it would pop, and he was probably buying when it was much cheaper. Well, that’s enough  out of me for now.              Aloha, Diamondhead

Gold country

Posted by goldielocks @ 16:59 on September 1, 2020  

Infodemic, good one. A double con game. One elections two mandatory vaccines.
Now we have a volunteer for the vaccine.

WELL !

Posted by Ororeef @ 16:37 on September 1, 2020  

I finally got that tooth pulled today !  after two months of talking to dentists ,Endodontists ,facial surgery guy…

Dentist did nothing but referrd me to Endodontist who looked at it and said its cracked ,no root canal..pull it out.

Dentist then did another referral to the Facial surgeon ..dental insurance covered most of it after I went through 30 day waiting period  .

Im on blood thinner so surgeon was extra carefull   . BUT I got er DONE !

Dem-panic, that’s a good one

Posted by goldcountry @ 16:14 on September 1, 2020  

Really eeos, can’t you see this is the Democrat election strategy? Not to mention the darker NWO control rollout?

No need for personal attacks–but then you’d need to have a real argument.

The only one mentally challenged here is Biden.

pandemic? or dempanic?

Posted by treefrog @ 16:00 on September 1, 2020  

i will follow the guidance of my primary care physician.

(fragment of a conversation i had with him late in may)

t.f.  “…i think this pandemic is five percent nasty virus and ninety five percent political bullshit and fear porn.”

dr. d***  “your five percent is way too high.”

i have spoken with two other physicians who are personal friends – not patient/doctor relationship.  both are of similar opinions.

this is bullshit!

I Need To Know What Gold and Silver Will Do For The Rest Of The Week

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 15:43 on September 1, 2020  

One of you guys must know, so let me know. 🙂

oh great another covid conspiracy person

Posted by eeos @ 15:33 on September 1, 2020  

gold country showing true colors. Why don’t yall ask some doctors you know. I hope everyone on this forum isn’t as mentally challenged

eeos @ 0:50

Posted by goldcountry @ 15:14 on September 1, 2020  

When you say “us” I hope you don’t think you are speaking for the rest of us on the forum. I myself appreciate every one of silverngold’s posts, and his efforts to wake people up. Evidently there are still a few of us who need to do a little more research.

Some people got the flu. This is no pandemic!! Infodemic is more like it.

Happy days for the scum…..SM cruising higher and they have PM’s under the boot, plus the Dollar has caught a bid.

Posted by Maddog @ 14:47 on September 1, 2020  

Maddog Roger, probably made in China or Japan too.

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 14:45 on September 1, 2020  

P.S. The Dinesletter? Last one he said they were auctioning off all his gold coins, probably numismatic ones.

Mr Copper

Posted by Maddog @ 14:40 on September 1, 2020  

Keep yr old meter as long as u can, it will easily see u out….I was chatting to some guys who run the power lines etc….they said the new ones are real crap, no comparison to an old one.

Re Platinum and Palladium’s SBSW and PLG I Just Sold It All

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 14:19 on September 1, 2020  

I was up pretty good on SBSW long term, and made a little short term on PLG, but neither one was outperforming  the physical metals prices. Plus South Africa? Good effin bye.

Next I’m wondering about DRD, also S. Africa, and I got very lucky with that one + 150%, it is a lot higher than the mid 2016 highs. But choppy lateral since June. Thinking I was very lucky and should cash out. There are so many others to go onto that I already started, like KNTNF.

Check out S&W, earnings report coming. And VSTO, MTA Royalty. I did good selling on that high, but looks like I may buy it back on the high soon.

It is said “if you find yourself in a hole, quit digging”….. but I can’t. I keep striking more solid gold and this is the best yet. I don’t see ANY dots that are not connected.

Posted by silverngold @ 13:46 on September 1, 2020  

I could use a little help to wake up the world so please humor me and watch this one. Then please pass it on while it’s still here. Thank you!

When The Scum Gave Away Our Manufacturing Jobs, After 1975, They Were Replaced With Fake Jobs

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 13:32 on September 1, 2020  

I just phoned the electric company, and told them I’m REFUSING the new smart meter. The electric company PSEG recently announced how many millions cost from the recent storm the rate payers will absorb. So why waste rate payer money on unneeded new fangled meters? That gave many people strange bill estimates while the electric was off. In some cases no electric over two weeks.

If you’re on the fence and undecided about vaccines…..or even if you’re not….you won’t be after watching this short video. Then pass it on. Thanks!!

Posted by silverngold @ 13:23 on September 1, 2020  

Maddog, “virtually no coverage in the MSM…anywhere”

Posted by silverngold @ 12:50 on September 1, 2020  

Kinda shouts in a loud voice, AGENDA! doesn’t it?

Thanks for the attendance estimate update. I’m beginning to think we have a chance to beat this thing!

NAK

Posted by treefrog @ 12:41 on September 1, 2020  

making a nice comeback from last week’s hit job by politico.  $1.20 and creeping up.

silverngold

Posted by Maddog @ 12:38 on September 1, 2020  

That Berlin protest was 1.5 million, maybe way more…Ron Paul has a video showing 4 million ….they are saying it was the biggest ever demo in Germany !!!

and there is virtually no coverage in the MSM…anywhere.

Only the PM’s trade like this..these sudden smashes, for no reason and no news…just scum temper tantrums.

Posted by Maddog @ 12:26 on September 1, 2020  

and 2nd time within 4 trading days that a gap open was pulverised in the PM stox, by the scum…just because they can……We now have try and claw it all back, which is all they want.

This is Rebel News 8 minute coverage of the Berlin Covid lockdown protest from another interesting angle. Worth seeing 40 thousand strong crowd waking up!

Posted by silverngold @ 12:15 on September 1, 2020  

CDC COVID death total

Posted by aufever @ 11:21 on September 1, 2020  

It is possible that COVID contributed in some of the other 94% of deaths originally attributed to COVID, but what is clear is that the number of deaths caused by this virus are nowhere near the numbers which they have been claiming. Many say it is no worse than a typical flu.

Maya @ 20:13 Well, here’s a quick and easy way to prove your point that Hawaii is in crisis mode with a terrible covid virus.

Posted by silverngold @ 11:11 on September 1, 2020  

Do the same as other people in other areas have done. Go down to your closest hospital, wear your mask for safety, snap a few pictures of the huge crowds inundating the waiting room, or alternatively, wake up the receptionist and ask her where they have put all the covid cases? This was done in several other areas including one of the NYC hospitals that proved to be empty. No cases, no trucks full of rotting bodies….NOTHING! I recall the same was done at one location in Hawaii too but I don’t know which one. When the photographer tried to interview the manager and ask her where all the emergency patients were she would not talk to them and the place was not full as reported on the news, it was empty.

Just saying, and searching for the truth, and good on you about “no vaccines”.  ;o)

 

Pretty Volatile Maddog

Posted by Buygold @ 11:08 on September 1, 2020  

They tried to bring the USD back but it seems to have lost its mojo.

The real question will be whether or not the pm shares come back.

Newmont and Barrick are still down on the day. I wonder if old Warren knew the daily battles he would face owning Barrick? You’d think he’d have the inside scoop on that kind of stuff.

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