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They will try a controlled decent and controlled Dollar Collapse   then a NEW currency to start over again with …

Nobody will trust any NEW currency without a repeat of a Gold backed currency that got us out of the Depression.

Ther will be zilch confidence in paper money without  it  ..Its the only way to get acceptance of any paper currency after a Dollar collapse  and they know it.

They just don’t want you to profit by their mistakes….They will need all the GOLD they can get…thats whats going on NOW…its a preperation for their coming needs….not yours….

was and is it is not flawless…It takes about 50 some years for the “FRACTIONAL RESERVE ” system to get to its maximum growth ..and we have arrived there !

It was a Mathmatical certainty   unless they change the rules and go for complete bust ,but I doubt that because that will result in Political collapse as happined under HITLER after the HYPER inflation took hold.   The choice becomes between deflation and depression when debt is defaulted on  as we already experienced in 1933. or Hyperinflation as happened in Germany which resulted in a Dictator coming to power (Hitler)   ….so in the US a Depression was chosen because it kept the Politicians still in Power and at least the Government stayed intact!!!!!      The opposite happined in Weimar Germany    !  So I think the choice is clear ….

it collapses or …..and or Forgives its debtors ….and the whole thing starts over…!    but at least the Gubberment stays intact….

that they could compete with the Rothschilds they were invited to join them in a Banking Cabal…..when China & Russia get so big they compete with the Rothschild Cabal ..they too will be invited to join as Part of the Banking Crime syndicate  against the American Chinese & Russian People….and so it goes….

Rockefeller Banking iinterests have already made overtures to gain access to Chinese Banking in exchange for Low wage jobs transferred from America to China …why do you think our Politicians gave those jobs away …it wasent for nothing !  The deal was made a lomg time ago…we were sold out ,by our own  !

BTW   WE entered Japanese Banking right after WW2 when Japan surrendered,  Rockefeller was invited by US to “Help” stabilize Japan……An American Professor (Dr Demming”was hired by McArthur to educate Japanese on how to produce manufactured products .There again we gave away low wage manufacturing jobs in exchange for access to Japanese Banks.    Its the same pattern deja vue all over again…!as yogi would say…….

Theres nothing new under the Sun…

Re Parts of link

“The Russian Ruble has collapsed despite efforts by the Russian Central Bank to “slow” the decline. It traded at lifetime lows last week…down ~40% since June…down 60% since February 2013. The sharp fall in oil prices and sanctions pressured the currency…but capital flight has hammered the Ruble.

WTI Crude hit 5 year lows last week…down ~30% since June…Gold hit 4½ year lows…down ~30% from its 2011 ATH…the major commodity indices hit 4 year lows…down ~30% from their 2011 ATH

http://moneytalks.net/article-and-commentary/todays-best-money-making-ideas/currency/13834-correction-in-dollar-bull-market-commodity-bounce-.html”

Comment:

Richey, KEY WORD JUNE. My View. Look at the 18 month currency charts at link below. The Dollar went STRAIGHT up since June. And pretty much in unison, most other currencies trended down. Makes sense being everything is priced in Dollars.

The Job of the US Federal Reserve, since 1945, has been to “manage” the global economy. They recently admitted that by saying they were concerned about the global economy. It’s their “baby” and very proud of it. The ENTIRE global economy.

Since 1945 they have been putting money, credit, inflation or industries where needed the most. Like Europe and Japan right after WW II for example. Fast forward. Briefly. The US economy after 1945 had post war boom, lots of overtime pay, shortage of labor, and no wives working, that lasted until the 1971 to 1975 era.

After that? 1975. MY VIEW was the Fed Res decided the USA was fat and spoiled, the rest of the world was lean, or needed prosperity and transferred money, credit, inflation and many US industries and jobs overseas. It was obviously good for big corporations too. Cheaper labor and tax incentives.

The USA 1980 to 2001 had a deflation in labor and materials, and they started dropping the dollar from 120 after 2001. By 2008, it became obvious the USA was drained enough, and they stimulated the USA right up until JUNE.

That’s the month imo, the Fed Res started chocking off the US economy, figuring that we were ok for a while and now they can start stimulating the other countries like Europe and Japan, with lower currencies. Dollar going straight up like that can’t be a natural trend.

They may as well have done it over night like after the war they went from $1 = 1 Yen overnight to $1 = 360 Yen for example. By the way the US is slowing down after JUNE too.

So the main question now is……How long will the Fed Res let the USA producers “hang” with a stronger dollar? How bad will they let the US economy contract before they go back to helping the USA?? The KNOW now its important for US consumers to have higher wages, better credit ratings, and plenty of money to spend on crap, or the rest hurt again.

I always suspected China was the latest and greatest benefactor of the Fed and eventually they were going to be sacrificed next, like the USA after 1980, and that trend has started.

18 month charts:
http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=CURRENCIES&p=w1

billions of smart phones everywhere in the world, and not  a single DAMN photo of a chem trail apparatus yet. Smells fishy

This is an impressive group of knowledgeable people giving testimony on Geo-engineering. Interesting and informative. Please watch and learn how we are all being adversely affected by this criminally destructive program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b_u63yvXbVI

yeah, I don’t know about lawyers, my experience with them is that they like to settle leaving plaintiffs with less than $.10 on the dollar.

I’m at the point where I’m pulling for Putin and no longer view him as an enemy at least to gold. In my view we are the enemy and the thugs of the world, with the largest groups of criminals and the greatest threat to mankind. JMHO

a couple thoughts

#1 – I agree with you.

#2 – if they are in bed together, hopefully the relationship will be like that of Mafia Dons and eventually they will fall out of love with each other.

#3 – I still hold a (very small) hope that there remains a remnant of justice in this country. The sheer volume of market manipulation press (at least on the internet) gives me hope that the Class Action Lawyers will smell $ …..and in their own best interest will swarm like sharks.

Funny isn’t it…. to pin hopes for financial freedom on two ex-enemies and lawyers

“At some point and time that paper market is going to be folding in on itself”, when talking about the metals

Watch here

Now they are using your house as collateral and gambling with it!

starts about 16:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pwrHYYrBOs

despite the late day comeback in the miners – it just never ends, ever.

“own the Fed ,why would they buy Gold ?.”

That is a great question! Why would they need gold? Fiat is easy, just buy a printing press.

R640 – I seriously doubt the Swiss initiative passes, first of all, who counts the votes? Secondly, even if it does pass, they’ll figure out some way to stretch it out and make it ineffective.

As goldbugs we have two hopes, Putin and China. That’s it. If they’re part of the Cabal then we might as well go back to fiat investments.

Just the facts as I see them.

is traded every month.

Back to reality

Having made the case for Switzerland’s gold initiative, note that passing the initiative would only be a first step. Unless policy makers embrace the spirit rather than the letter of the law, it may be an uphill battle. We have already received research reports how the SNB could circumvent its obligations by spinning off assets. The SNB might also engage in derivatives to undermine the spirit of the initiative should it pass.

Let’s also keep in mind that the SNB has five years to implement the 20% backing of its reserves by gold. That should allow the SNB to conduct purchases without disrupting markets. In the short-term, the signaling effect might be the most powerful one: the ceiling of the Swiss franc versus the euro may well get tested. Such ceilings are enforceable only when they represent an unconditional commitment. As soon as someone blinks, the market will test the resolve of policy makers. The passing of such tests may well qualify as resolve. The SNB may be well served to start buying gold from day one if they accelerate their purchases of euros.

Ultimately, people should never rely on their government to pursue a gold standard, but consider pursuing their own, personal gold standard. On that note, we will expand on our discussion of Switzerland’s vote to force the Swiss National Bank to hold a minimum of 20% of its reserves in our upcoming Webinar (click here to register), on November 20, 2014. As part of the webinar, we will also discuss how investors can build their personal gold standard.

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/merk/merk111214.html###

Correction In Dollar Bull Market? Commodity Bounce?

Posted by Victor Adair via Drew Zimmeran @ PI Financial

Monday, 10 November 2014 10:05

We’ve traded currencies for 40 years and believe that they “trend” more than other markets (who remembers leads and lags?)…that the trends go WAY further than seems to make any sense…and then reverse in “Vee” shaped turns. This tendency for currencies to go WAY further than seems to make any sense (plus our long-term bullish Dollar view) is the reason we do NOT recommend outright short Dollar positions. BUT…we note the HUGE ($45B) long dollar position in the futures market and the “beating” dollar-priced commodities have taken…and we “sense” a correction. Adding to our “sense” of a correction is a weekend report (Nov 9) from our long-time friend and excellent technical analyst, Ross Clark, warning of an “overextended” dollar…and a likely bounce in Gold.

http://moneytalks.net/article-and-commentary/todays-best-money-making-ideas/currency/13834-correction-in-dollar-bull-market-commodity-bounce-.html

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“part of their loot as defacto taxes”

Can’t agree more. The Bankster gangsters and gov gangsters are different sections of the same gang.

Former Goldman Banker Reveals The Path To The Next Depression And Stock Market Collapse

Zero Hedge

No one in either political party mentioned any of this during the mid-term elections. Yet, our political-financial system has gone from the dysfunctional to the failed to the surreal. Speculation, once left to individuals and investors, is now federally sponsored, subsidized and institutionalized. When this sham finally buckles and the next shoe falls and rates do eventually rise, the stock market will tank, liquidity will die, and the broader economy will plunge into a worse Depression than before. We are not there yet because of these coordinated moves and the political force behind them. But we are on a precarious path to that inevitability.

Last quarter, US Treasuries were the fastest growing form of security bought by banks, increasing by 26.3% or $72 billion over the prior quarter. As the Fed tapered, banks stepped in to do their part in the coordinated Fed-private bank QE game. In the past year, banks have added $185.8 billion of US Treasuries to their books, more than doubling their share of government debt.

Just seven banks comprised nearly all ($70.5 billion) of this quarterly increase: State Street Bank, Capital One, JPM Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Bank of NY Mellon and Citigroup. By the end of the third quarter of 2014, Citigroup, with $95 billion, was the largest holder of US Treasuries, followed by Bank of America at $54.8 billion and Wells Fargo at $37.8 billion from nearly zero at the start of 2014. Bank of NY Mellon holds $25.3 billion and JPM Chase holds $15 billion US Treasuries.

This increase in US Treasury holdings reflects another easy money element of our federally subsidized banking system. Banks take deposits from individuals for which they pay close to zero in interest, in fact, charge customers fees for keeping their money (courtesy of the Fed’s Zero-Interest-Rate policy.) They can turn that around to make a cool risk-free 2.3% by parking the money in 10-year US Treasuries. Why lend to Joe the Plumber, when the US government is providing such a great deal?

But, the recent timing here is key. Banks only started buying US Treasuries in earnest when the Fed announced its tapering plans. Thus, not only are they participants in the ZIRP game as recipients of cheap money, they are complicit in effecting monetary policy. As the data analyzed so expertly by Bill Moreland at www.BankRegData.com makes clear, there has been no taper. Thus, the publicized reason for tapering – better job and economic growth – is also bogus.

During the third quarter, Wells Fargo and Bank of America matched Fed purchases of US Treasuries, keeping the total amount of US Treasuries in QE land

neutral. With such orchestration to keep rates down and the prices of US Treasury securities up, all the talk about whether the labor force is strengthening or inflation exists or not is mere show. Banks haven’t even propped up the labor market in their own industry. They chopped 11,400 jobs last quarter. In the past two years, they cut 57,236 jobs.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-11/former-goldman-banker-reveals-path-next-depression-and-stock-market-collapse

Take delivery of as much Phyzz as we can,  every little bit helps………

Remind me not to bike Down Under

Winedoc

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So fire and brimstone if the SNB can’t just print Francs willy-nilly…

As Grant Williams perviously concluded,

Sometimes I think these people are completely delusional.

So, let me get this straight: gold is a relic which restricts your ability to do such vital things as… oh, I dunno, promise to print unlimited amounts of your currency in order to peg it to another, failing currency and thereby debase it by 9% in 15 minutes? Or it might mean the market doesn’t have complete faith that you might be completely relied upon to do really smart things like that?

Disaster!

Somebody. Please? Make it stop.

The Swiss establishment has been reliant upon the public’s ignorance in these matters, but now they are up against a formidable opponent in Egon von Greyerz. Not only that, but they can clearly see that, as elsewhere around the world, the public is fast becoming disenchanted with the status quo; and that is potentially very dangerous for these people.

What is important to understand here is that if the initiative passes it will be part of the Swiss constitution IMMEDIATELY — not in two years, as many blogs and websites are suggesting. This means that the government and parliament cannot touch it. Only another referendum can change it. This is proper democracy for you.

The closer we get to the vote on November 30, the bigger this story is going to become, and the bigger it becomes, the higher the chance that the yes vote wins.

Should that happen, it will undoubtedly set off alarm bells throughout the gold market, as yet more physical gold will need to be repatriated and another sizeable, price-insensitive buyer will enter the marketplace

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-12/snb-warning-gold-initiative-fatal-error-judgment-sparks-eurchf-peg-test

own the Fed ,why would they buy Gold ?.It simply means they are now Majority Partners in a Crime syndicate !    Who would give that up ?