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about the title line of your last post, “russia” and  the soviet union are, and always have been two very different things.

Some of these Russians are living in the US today but apparently causing no problems. That can’t be said for the Muslims who have the same agenda. When Governments want to be people’s God.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

I Think it’s a stretch to view all those firings as good economic house-keeping. Look at some of their comments, especially General Vallely’s:
“Absolutely every communist regime on the planet did this as soon as they got in power.” And Brady’s: “There is no doubt he (Obama) is intent on emasculating the military and will fire anyone who disagrees with him.”

edit: And of course it would suit the Marxists if America had no military at all, except as a part of NATO or the UN.

To think a mad man is someone to be admired cannot answer the question was Hitler killing raping torturing MILLIONS not thousands of men women children a war effort or a result of madness. Where was the strategic military acton that pulled innocent family’s out of their homes and interned them in concentration camps coming out in ovens or poured in mass graves treating them less than human. There may be questions in the Dresden bombings as for every action there is a reaction as things heated up but there is no questions that millions of innocent people were killed not as a war effort but a result of madness. Hitler hardly a “credible”man to admire. I suppose if you had a death wish maybe.

Re part:

“Things have gotten so bad that a number of retired generals are publicly speaking out about the ‘purge’ of the U.S. military that they believe is taking place. As you will see below, dozens of highly decorated military leaders have been dismissed from their positions over the past few years.

So why is this happening? What is going on right now is absolutely crazy especially during a time of peace. Is there a deliberate attempt to reshape the military and remove those who don’t adhere to the proper ‘viewpoints’ ? Does someone out there feel a need to get officers that won’t cooperate out of the way?”

Comment:
During a time of peace, maybe we don’t really need, or can afford, so many highly paid tax absorbers. Then again, in my area, they retire many civil service and police after only 20 years, just so they can hire new recruits. The retired ones keep getting paid.

But for social security retirees? The gov’t wants THEM to work 45 years plus, or until they actually die. TPTB obviously don’t want early recruits on Soc Sec to free up jobs for the private sector.

Basically, IMO, all the artificially created unneeded overhead occupations, created and expanded to override off shoring, are in contraction like retail, real estate, medical, gov’t employment etc. The military is just another bloated big business sector like GM was at one time.

And think about all the outside countries that benefitted from our military. Did any of them pay taxes to the USA? Look at China and all the profits THEY made off the USA. Were they ever 1099nd? Did they ever pay any income tax to the USA?? No.

And then when Americans buy their crap THEY pay the sales tax, 8.65% here. Think about it. We buy a foreign made product and WEEEE pay the tax. 🙂

My grandmother on mothers side was Jewish and went underground against the Nazis. Yes she was creditable. I have no time didn’t elaborate but attacks were everywhere and hard to know who you could trust.

This may interer you.

http://www.quora.com/Why-are-atrocities-committed-by-the-Nazis-considered-war-crimes-but-civilian-deaths-caused-by-indiscriminate-Allied-area-bombing-particularly-the-atomic-bombing-of-Japan-are-not

Now that surely is a credible source.

You don’t have time you say. Then why respond with half-truths and innuendo?

Facts and logic are what is needed.

edit: Virtually everything has “been sensationalized for a purpose.” But that is not to say that the truth is not out there.
And the truth will eventually out.

Seems kind of unlikely, given silverngold’s post @ 19:32

If you look further you might find that those numbers were made up.

I don’t have time now but read it was sensationalized for a purpose and was more like 25,000 not 500,000. One of my grandmother was in England when it was being attacked.
As far as American since when has it become acceptable to get them involved in wars or that their being maimed or killed acceptable to fight others wars. As it is now were expected to go out and get killed for others and people who wear now think are not even worth it as they’d kill you and your family with their religion.
There were many questions of why this is right and that is not when really none of it was and why war sucks. Things accelerated as it does and reactions got more aggressive.
Churchill looked at over population as problematic to third world said “they keep breeding like rabbits so what good would and relief do.” That is a question we have to ask today as now it has come to our beaches and will do the same here. It was horrible that People of India starved to death over the war effort then. Even people here after the war were starving in order to feed Europe.
I look at it in another way to try to teach them that overpopulation will kill us all and if they don’t care about it then don’t come running to us or anyone else who has made their own sacrifices and preparations. Like Noah’s Arc. That they have the choice, their choice and that if they choose over population don’t expect us to starve our children to feed theirs.
The Chinese gov back when didn’t give them a choice. They just starved to death thousands so as Mao said the other half could eat. They were blocked off from the rest of society. That was tragic. Choices are different if they choose to be reckless then don’t expect others to suffer the consequences for them. They have a entitled to what others have attitude. Not the same a borrowing a cup of sugar or some unforeseen event to a neighbor or relative. The same as a neighbor who spends all their money selfishly then goes to your house and says I need to borrow food to feed my family of seven kids and you only have enough resources for your one or two these days. Consider the cost to yours. It is predatory. They will not care about yours. Keep that in mind with things to come.

I absolutely concur , there is a time and place for all such insight and sharing. Maybe this is not one of them? “In reference to the season”, the logic of peace on earth, goodwill to mankind..of all skin tones, pathways of heritage, social beliefs, in faith and hum everyone…smile.
I will not comment further until the New year.

Season Greetings and May truth prevail….

Concerning the latest NYPD execution and what conspiracy is involved next. A way to drag Hispanics and Asians into the race conflict.  Oh my I can see it already.

Posted on December 21, 2014 by Martin Armstrong

We are embarking on a new shift and the stock market is reflecting this change. What the bankers just puled off will lead to their demise They have played with a historical fire that may end in actual bloodshed. It would not be the first time they have been dragged from their palaces and hanged on the streets. That is what the term “BLACK FRIDAY” really stood for – the day a mob hanged bankers on Wall Street.

What took place in Washington over the past two weeks with the repeal of Dodd Frank and then the effective repeal of the Volcker Rule sounds strikingly familiar to at least three previous periods in American History that led to total disaster. There were of course the Northern “carpetbaggers”, whom many in the South viewed as opportunists looking to exploit and profit from the region’s misfortunes following the Civil War.The “carpetbaggers” would play a central role in shaping new southern governments during Reconstruction period who were joined by Southerners who saw economic gain in joining the Northerners in the exploitation of the South. There were called “scalawags”.

Then there were the Silver Democrats who were bought and paid for by the mining industry. William Jennings Bryan’s red-hot emotional speech at the 1896 Democratic Convention will forever live on in history. The shenanigans of the Democrats and Republicans who tried to overvalue silver led to the near bankruptcy of the nation and made JP Morgan famous thanks to the Panic of 1896 when he had to arrange a gold loan to save the country.

Then there was what people called the First Gilded Age more than a century ago, when senators and representatives were owned by Wall Street and big business. This culminated in the 1929 Crash.

What did all three of these period have in common with the last two weeks? Then, as now, those who footed the bill for political campaigns were richly rewarded with favorable laws. This is standard operating procedure in Washington and why we are in such desperate need of political reform.

In all three such periods there was a rising underbelly of rising tension and rebellion against the powers that be. Today, people are increasingly becoming fed up with Washington and the rebellion unfolds ONLY when the economy turns down. There was Charles Dazey’s Broadway Play The War of Wealth (February 10, 1896). This 51.6 year ECM Wave that peaked in 1929.75 (#919-924) was a Private Wave that began with the death of Karl Marx and the previous 51.6 year Wave peaked in 1878. In 1882, because of anti-monopoly laws, Standard Oil is organized as a trust, which would become the target of all time.

Indeed, what the bankers pulled off these past two weeks was done on the basis that they ASSUME the people have such a short-attention span that (1) they did not expect any press, and (2) they expected this will blow over with the holidays.

The bankers have made the greatest MISTAKE of their career. Their desire to exploit the world economy through trading preferring to beTRANSACTION oriented rather thanRELATIONSHIP (meaning there is no long-term plan here just trade by trade), will be their undoing. The bankers have ALWAYS become the most hated within society. It was the bankers that caused the Panic in Ancient Athens, Rome, and even caused countless riots and civil wars. It was Philip IV of France who confiscated and imprisoned the Italian Bankers for lending money to England to wage war. He seized even the Papacy moving that to France. He wiped out the Knights Templar who were a major banking organization. Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon because of the corrupt bankers in the Senate and the people cheered him as the bankers fled to Asia.

One a time scale, the Panic of 1896 came 13 years into that 51.6 year wave. Relating this to the current wave that began with the formation of G5 in 1985, that brought us to 1998 and the first bailout of Long-Term Capital Management. Then 26 years into that wave brought us to 1908. It was the 1907 Crash that shifted the focus from the Railroad to the Industrial Age. Currently, 26 years into this wave brought us to 2011 and the peak in all commodities from gold to oil. This has marked the beginning of the Euro Crisis with the first crack in 2010 being Greece.

Good Morning,
The recent point of the city of Dresden, massacre ,is one of many very tragic facts which most of the Global population is and was not shared the insight of the travesty . Secondly, there are too numerous other real facts of very sad and brutal facts to the second world war….the first world war was also a journey of this same pathway. War is war but it is those that create the circumstances that are very frequently never exposed. Operation Keelhaul….the true facts of the enigma coding machine….the imperial Japanese navy codes..Aerial reconnaissances of ALL of Europe by early 1944, than the shock and awe we did not know..the list is very long….the questions endless.
It is the Christmas season….I will not share my thoughts .
Gold the past gate keeper of ALL times ….has been temporarily replaced by man’s vision of NWO fiat….I am certain Gold/silver will prevail sooner than later…with the caveat…the situations does not result in a final nuclear confrontation….wow too heavy an insight.
I do believe we all live within very turbulent times.

Here are some historical FACTS:
The WWII Dresden Holocaust -‘A Single Column Of Flame’

“You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.” –Kurt Vonnegut, Jr

On the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism began against a defenseless German city, one of the greatest cultural centers of northern Europe. Within less than 14 hours not only was it reduced to flaming ruins, but an estimated one-third of its inhabitants, possibly as many as a half a million, had perished in what was the worst single event massacre of all time.

February 13/14 1945: Holocaust over Dresden, known as the Florence of the North. Dresden was a hospital city for wounded soldiers. Not one military unit, not one anti-aircraft battery was deployed in the city. Together with the 600.000 refugees from Breslau, Dresden was filled with nearly 1.2 million people. Churchill had asked for “suggestions how to blaze 600.000 refugees”. He wasn’t interested how to target military installations 60 miles outside of Dresden. More than 700.000 phosphorus bombs were dropped on 1.2 million people. One bomb for every 2 people. The temperature in the centre of the city reached 1600 o centigrade. More than 260.000 bodies and residues of bodies were counted. But those who perished in the centre of the city can’t be traced. Approximately 500.000 children, women, the elderly, wounded soldiers and the animals of the zoo were slaughtered in one night.

What where Churchill’s motives? They appear to have been political, rather than military. Historians unanimously agree that Dresden had no military value. What industry it did have produced only cigarettes and china.

But the Yalta Conference was coming up, in which the Soviets and their Western allies would sit down like ghouls to carve up the shattered corpse of Europe. Churchill wanted a trump card–a devastating “thunderclap of Anglo-American annihilation”–with which to “impress” Stalin.

That card, however, was never played at Yalta, because bad weather delayed the originally scheduled raid. Yet Churchill insisted that the raid be carried out–to “disrupt and confuse” the German civilian population behind the lines.

Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters. The first bomb fell at 10:09 p.m. The attack lasted 24 minutes, leaving the inner city a raging sea of fire. “Precision saturation bombing” had created the desired firestorm.

A firestorm is caused when hundreds of smaller fires join in one vast conflagration. Huge masses of air are sucked in to feed the inferno, causing an artificial tornado. Those persons unlucky enough to be caught in the rush of wind are hurled down entire streets into the flames. Those who seek refuge underground often suffocate as oxygen is pulled from the air to feed the blaze, or they perish in a blast of white heat–heat intense enough to melt human flesh.

One eyewitness who survived told of seeing “young women carrying babies running up and down the streets, their dresses and hair on fire, screaming until they fell down, or the collapsing buildings fell on top of them.”

There was a three-hour pause between the first and second raids. The lull had been calculated to lure civilians from their shelters into the open again. To escape the flames, tens of thousands of civilians had crowded into the Grosser Garten, a magnificent park nearly one and a half miles square.

The second raid came at 1:22 a.m. with no warning. Twice as many bombers returned with a massive load of incendiary bombs. The second wave was designed to spread the raging firestorm into the Grosser Garten.

It was a complete “success.” Within a few minutes a sheet of flame ripped across the grass, uprooting trees and littering the branches of others with everything from bicycles to human limbs. For days afterward, they remained bizarrely strewn about as grim reminders of Allied sadism.

Shortly after 10:30 on the morning of February 14, the last raid swept over the city. American bombers pounded the rubble that had been Dresden for a steady 38 minutes. But this attack was not nearly as heavy as the first two.

However, what distinguished this raid was the cold-blooded ruthlessness with which it was carried out. U.S. Mustangs appeared low over the city, strafing anything that moved, including a column of rescue vehicles rushing to the city to evacuate survivors. One assault was aimed at the banks of the Elbe River, where refugees had huddled during the horrible night.

In the last year of the war, Dresden had become a hospital town. During the previous night’s massacre, heroic nurses had dragged thousands of crippled patients to the Elbe. The low-flying Mustangs machine-gunned those helpless patients, as well as thousands of old men, women and children who had escaped the city.

When the last plane left the sky, Dresden was a scorched ruin, its blackened streets filled with corpses. The city was spared no horror. A flock of vultures escaped from the zoo and fattened on the carnage. Rats swarmed over the piles of corpses.

A Swiss citizen described his visit to Dresden two weeks after the raid: “I could see torn-off arms and legs, mutilated torsos and heads which had been wrenched from their bodies and rolled away. In places the corpses were still lying so densely that I had to clear a path through them in order not to tread on arms and legs.”

The death toll was staggering. The full extent of the Dresden Holocaust can be more readily grasped if one considers that well over 250,000 — possibly as many as a half a million — persons died within a 14-hour period, whereas estimates of those who died at Hiroshima range from 90,000 to 140,000.*

If ever there was a war crime, then certainly the Dresden Holocaust ranks as the most sordid one of all time. Yet there are no movies made today condemning this fiendish slaughter; nor did any Allied airman–or Sir Winston–sit in the dock at Nuremberg. In fact, the Dresden airmen were actually awarded medals for their role in this mass murder. But, of course, they could not have been tried, because there were “only following orders.”

This is not to say that the mountains of corpses left in Dresden were ignored by the Nuremberg Tribunal. In one final irony, the prosecution presented photographs of the Dresden dead as “evidence” of alleged National Socialist atrocities against Jewish concentration-camp inmates!

Churchill, the monster who ordered the Dresden slaughter, was knighted, and the rest is history. The cold-blooded sadism of the massacre, however, is brushed aside by his biographers, who still cannot bring themselves to tell how the desire of one madman to “impress” another one let to the mass murder of up to a half million men, women and children.

http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm

… and a Happy Christmas & and New Year, to you to.

Yes… 2015 will probably  be a year to remember!!

Festivity Greetings from Sweden to all of  you in the Tent!!

NEMO

Would a pumping problem or a transportation problem for the oil-producing countries in the Middle East, benefit the oil industries in USA and Russia. Probably very much so!

There are a lot in common, for parties that are fierce enemies on the surface.

Situations that are heading in a panic direction push interests together and spark intended “black swans”. For those (countries, institutions and individuals) who also have a lot of gold investments, this could be an interesting thought.

There are a lot of big companies that have done a lot of murky things in the past that not goes along with the countries interests in which they are situated.

Are there local parties to blame for such an event… oh yes.

NEMO

I was at a Christmas dinner party tonite with my wife and had an enjoyable evening for the most part. Some of the people I knew casually and over the course of the evening the conversation was pleasant and covered a wide variety of topics. I could tell from the conversations that most were avid followers of the MSM. When topics such as finance, real estate, politics etc came up it was amazing how clueless they were. One fellow even bellowed out how it was amazing how many people actually believe the nonsense that 911 was perpetuated by their own government. Needless to say I had to check my tongue for blood when I got home.