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Richard640 @ 13:12 – Richard no one is blaming the average Jew
just like no one is blaming the average American citizen who struggles to make a living and who is a victim of his own controlled government. Who knows what the truth is? Perhaps the Us government was in on it too. Another false flag like pearl harbor? Anyways I am glad you posted the other side of the story.
FYI re EMES and PUMMELED FRACKING STOCKS BOTTOMED??
I’m getting lots of these form 13G/A and SC 13G news pop-ups here that look like big buy positions added to mutual funds. Required by law on positions bigger than 5% of the market cap.
Goldman Sachs Asset Management
http://archive.fast-edgar.com//20150213/ASZS8222Z225D2X2222N2MZ288CJZZ2R9272/
Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP
http://archive.fast-edgar.com//20150213/AQAEFQ2C8222LZZZ2R2W2ZZZUTPQZ2T2Z272/
RARE EARTHS WAKING UP?? FINALLY?
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MCP&t=2y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=ree%2Cavl%2Cqrm
put it on 5 days and 1 month.
Monster offers in GDX….looks like they want it to close on lows
But good buying around…..it cud be a huge fight into the close.
Any strength is like an insult to the shorts.
On a lighter note
50 alternative things a real man should be able to do
Forget about superfluous things like map reading or remembering your own wedding anniversary and instead concentrate on Alan Tyers’s list of all-important man skills
Let’s say Israel did it deliberately-and jews & israel are the scum of the earth–fine!
then let’s bomb em and go hug and kiss ISIS and all the other occupants of the Levant that would cheerfully come into your homes–if they could–and slit your throat and those of all your family…or better yet let’s finish the job hitler started…THEN would u be happy? THEN would all be right with the world….100 million civilian and military deaths due to WW ONE and WW2….and all that occurred in CHRISTIAN europe…and don’t tell us that those were just the “bad” Christians….bottom line….fear G*D and keep his commandments….the Christian Bible was a Jewish/Levantine story imposed on a tribal, pagan Europe…and subconsciously, was deeply resented…attacks on Jews–whether verbal or physical, by Christians–are attacks on Jesus…
Love Uncle Miltie…hate fried liver and onions…relax…take a deep breath…and let it go…hatred just turns on a person and consumes them…Peacem brother, it’s wonderful!
That’s just peachy. Doesn’t seem the Biggies have much control over this
Fighting Rages After Ukraine “Ceasefire” Deal; Ukraine Ultranationalist Leader Rejects Peace Agreement
The hatred of the Jew never ends…and hence Israel-now here’s the real truth behind the u.s.s liberty affaire
The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty’s flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.
The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.
On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting. As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty’s crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.
Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty’s flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.
According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin’s memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.
A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a
The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.
Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.
The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b
Many of the survivors of the Liberty remain bitter, and are convinced the attack was deliberate as they make clear on their web site. In 1991, columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak trumpeted their discovery of an American who said he had been in the Israeli war room when the decision was made to knowingly attack the American ship.4 In fact, that individual, Seth Mintz, wrote a letter to the Washington Post on November 9, 1991, in which he said he was misquoted by Evans and Novak and that the attack, was, in fact, a “case of mistaken identity.” Moreover, the man who Mintz originally said had been with him, a Gen. Benni Matti, does not exist.
Also, contrary to claims that an Israeli pilot identified the ship as American on a radio tape, no one has ever produced this tape. In fact, the official Israeli Air Force tape clearly established that no such identification of the ship was made by the Israeli pilots prior to the attack. Tapes of the radio transmissions made prior, during and after the attack do not contain any statement suggesting the pilots saw a U.S. flag before the attack. During the attack, a pilot specifically says, “there is no flag on her!” The recordings also indicate that once the pilots became concerned about the identity of the ship, by virtue of reading its hull number, they terminated the attack and they were given an order to leave the area. A transcript of the radio transmissions indicates the entire incident, beginning with the spotting of a mysterious vessel off El Arish and ending with the chief air controller at general headquarters in Tel Aviv telling another controller the ship was “apparently American” took 24 minutes.5 Critics claimed the Israeli tape was doctored, but the National Security Agency of the United States released formerly top secret transcripts in July 2003 that confirmed the Israeli version.
A U.S. spy plane was sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack on the Liberty and recorded the conversations of two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 p.m. on June 8. The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. “Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. Nine minutes later, Hatzor told the pilots the ship was believed to be an Egyptian cargo ship. At 3:07, the pilots were first told the ship might not be Egyptian and were instructed to search for survivors and inform the base immediately the nationality of the first person they rescued. It was not until 3:12 that one of the pilots reported that he saw an American flag flying over the ship at which point he was instructed to verify if it was indeed a U.S. vessel.6
In October 2003, the first Israeli pilot to reach the ship broke his 36-year silence on the attack. Brig.-Gen. Yiftah Spector, a triple ace, who shot down 15 enemy aircraft and took part in the 1981 raid on the Iraqi nuclear reactor, said he had been told an Egyptian ship was off the Gaza coast. “This ship positively did not have any symbol or flag that I could see. What I was concerned with was that it was not one of ours. I looked for the symbol of our navy, which was a large white cross on its deck. This was not there, so it wasn’t one of ours.” The Jerusalem Post obtained a recording of Spector’s radio transmission in which he said, “I can’t identify it, but in any case it’s a military ship.”7
Spector’s plane was not armed with bombs or, he said, he would have sunk the Liberty. Instead he fired 30mm armor piercing rounds that led the American survivors to believe they had been under rocket attack. His first pass ignited a fire, which caused the ship to billow black smoke that Spector thought was a ruse to conceal the ship. Spector acknowledged in the Post interview that he made a mistake, and said he admitted it when called to testify in an inquiry by a U.S. senator. “I’m sorry for the mistake,” he said. “Years later my mates dropped flowers on the site where the ship was attacked.”
None of Israel’s accusers can explain why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship at a time when the United States was Israel’s only friend and supporter in the world. Confusion in a long line of communications, which occurred in a tense atmosphere on both the American and Israeli sides (five messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the ship to remain at least 25 miles — the last four said 100 miles — off the Egyptian coast arrived after the attack was over) is a more probable explanation.
Accidents caused by “friendly fire” are common in wartime. In 1988, the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians. During the Gulf War, 35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle were killed by “friendly fire.” In April 1994, two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters with large U.S. flags painted on each side were shot down by U.S. Air Force F-15s on a clear day in the “no fly” zone of Iraq, killing 26 people. In April 2002, an American F-16 dropped a bomb that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan. In fact, the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns.8
Retired Admiral, Shlomo Erell, who was Chief of the Navy in Israel in June 1967, told the Associated Press (June 5, 1977): “No one would ever have dreamt that an American ship would be there. Even the United States didn’t know where its ship was. We were advised by the proper authorities that there was no American ship within 100 miles.”
Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told Congress on July 26, 1967: “It was the conclusion of the investigatory body, headed by an admiral of the Navy in whom we have great confidence, that the attack was not intentional.”
In 1987, McNamara repeated his belief that the attack was a mistake, telling a caller on the “Larry King Show” that he had seen nothing in the 20 years since to change his mind that there had been no “coverup.”9
In January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated June 13 and June 21, 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence “strongly suggested” Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship. Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.10
The new documents do not shed any light on the mystery of what the ship was doing in the area or why Israel was not informed about its presence. The evidence suggests the ship was not spying on Israel.
Israel apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on June 9 to compensate the victims. Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987.
Auandag @ 11:22 re Why Do They Hate Us Survey
Because we, the USA, are getting credited for bombing them. The “BAD” global “citizens of the world” are doing every bad thing in our name. And we get the blame, and they make the trouble.
Its very simple. They consider themselves citizens of the WORLD. They don’t like borders. These “people” do not consider themselves patriotic citizens of any particular country. (other than maybe the European colonists in the ME, they are VERY patriotic).
Portugeezer @ 12:50 Copy on that. re your “to keep your standard of living up to a relatively decent level.” Huh?? Put more thought into that. Our living standard was great between 1945 and 1975, an accident, and down hill after 1975. Before 1975 poor people or young entry had plenty of money to spend. And DID.
Imports and war costs killed us. Time to be positive.
SCRUFFY== Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted presence of SV40, AIDS and cancer viruses in vaccines
(NaturalNews) One of the most prominent vaccine scientists in the history of the vaccine industry — a Merck scientist — made a recording where he openly admits that vaccines given to Americans were contaminated with leukemia and cancer viruses. In response, his colleagues (who are also recorded here) break out into laughter and seem to think it’s hilarious. They then suggest that because these vaccines are first tested in Russia, they will help the U.S. win the Olympics because the Russian athletes will all be “loaded down with tumors.” (Thus, they knew these vaccines caused cancer in humans.)
This isn’t some conspiracy theory — these are the words of a top Merck scientist who probably had no idea that his recording would be widely reviewed across the internet (which didn’t even exist when he made this recording). He probably thought this would remain a secret forever. When asked why this didn’t get out to the press, he replied “Obviously you don’t go out, this is a scientific affair within the scientific community.”
http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_dr_maurice_hilleman_sv40.html
portugeezer,
bombing is waaaay too indiscriminate. imagine joe badguy takes over an area and the people hate him. we go in and bomb six city blocks and kill joe badguy. we also kill a couple thousand people who lived in the neighborhood. all these folks have relatives. in six months (days?) they will forget we saved them from joe badguy but they will remember for years (generations?) how it was us who killed uncle guido.
Corbett Report
Canadians Sue The Bank of Canada…..second story but all are worth the time to view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eAoPZdDP7cI
re Mr Cooper 22:39 Video I Deleted It
I can’t have people thinking I was proud of that chicken shit way to fight. And in reality even if they were armed, nobody knows why. Maybe for self defense against other groups in the area. Also when people are in retreat you’re not supposed to shoot them in the back anyway.
drb2 @ 11:50
I look forward to the day when we can get our quotes from the Shanghai metals exchange!
Auandag – RE: Nadler & Kitco
Talk about a “Stacked Deck” against PMs. Kitco is one of the Posterchilds.
I have personally met and talked with Nadler (mentioned below) several times at conferences. I can’t remember ever meeting such a pompous and unlikeable prick. He was the most vocal anti-metal voice in the room and on the internet. He wrote and lectured ceaselessly with never a good word for physical metal – ever!! and remember he is the main public face of Kitcko – a PM company !!
with friends like Kitko…who needs enemies !?
Kitco
“Metals exec: 25% of physical gold buyers are crazy”
I figured that this story was good for a laugh so I went ahead and clicked it. And what did I find? Yes, there is a “metals exec” quoted in the story and the guy in question works for…
…wait for it…
KITCO!
The same Canadian metals firm that employed the permabear Jon Nadler all through the previous bull market for gold. The same Canadian metals firm that made headlines after being alleged as a tax fraud in 2011 and 2013. (http://business.financialpost.com/2013/12/09/kitco-metals-among-gold-traders-facing-quebec-tax-fraud-allegations/) The same Canadian metals firm that gleefully reported Jeffrey Christian’s smears of Andrew Maguire and GATA.
Yep, that Kitco.
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/6614/kitco-attempts-corporate-suicide
Mr.Copper @ 10:28….A Thousand Ways To Die…….
……..and man seems to be perfecting all of them. Kill with disease, kill with vaccination to “prevent” disease, kill with toxins and preservatives in our foods, kill with pollutants in our water supplies, kill with approved medical malpractice, kill with nuclear radiation, kill with GMO’s, kill with legal and illegal drugs. kill with (chemtrail) and other intentional pollution ………………….. Well you get the picture…..but as Bill Gates says, these are “soft kill” tactics. No blood and guts as in that video, but dead is still DEAD!
And in America you have about 500 that you are paying big bucks to approve all of these thousands of ways to die……and yet it seems nobody really cares. If they did care this would NOT be happening……. (SICK)…… Silverngold
Long Term Indicator Says Buy
This is the first time I’ve seen this ‘buy’ signal for gold since 2009
US leaders are cowards and madmen!
Yet the ultimate lesson of the Liberty attack had far more effect on policy in Israel than in America. Israel’s leaders concluded that nothing they might do would offend the Americans to the point of reprisal. If America’s leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of American citizens, it seemed clear that their American friends would let them get away with almost anything.”
–George Ball, U.S. Undersecretary of State at the time, The Passionate Attachment
PS
We should have never been in Afghanistan in the first place and a year or two after we’re gone it will be just like it always has been. Thousands of lives wasted and billions of dollars for nothing … except profits for certain American companies.
okay I took it hook line and sinker Mr. Copper
but I agree with you. It’s cowardice to fight men with machines. In some ways I respect and understand fighting when one man is fighting another. I never served, so I’ll stop throwing my two worthless cents from the sidelines
Mr.Copper
I have a couple of thoughts about it. Those men they are shooting at are legitimate targets. They are all armed and there is a US ground force nearby. This is not some wedding party in Pakistan with drones blowing up a 100 innocent people.
Having said that one can’t help but feel compassion for the people being killed who are running and are no doubt terrified but have no chance at all.
If we were born there we might well have been one of those terrified men trying to hide.