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Richard640 @ 10:03 re Where he is wrong?

Posted by Mr.Copper @ 12:18 on July 17, 2015  

Re part:
“ONLY when the majority becomes bearish at the low do we reach that sweet spot, and it becomes time for a reversal of fortune.”

Comment:
Above should read…ONLY when the physical shortage from higher dollar/lower prices along with higher consumption becomes apparent, do we reach that sweet spot, and it becomes time for a reversal of fortune.

Note, artificially higher than normal home prices (low rates no doc, liar loans) caused a glut. High prices cause less consumption with excess production, until the sweet spot rotation is reached.

There should be a rotation out of regular stocks and into natural resources soon.

Anybody here thinking to buy into this do or die area for gold and silver?

Posted by Richard640 @ 12:05 on July 17, 2015  

Are u thinking about how o.s. they are? about the deep black pessimism towards that sector? maybe u recall how triple bottom breakouts break thru briefly and then reverse up-that’s called a bear trap…heck, it’s happened the past 3 times gold was in this area…

when one buys a situation like this he is not buying because he expects G&S to hold and go across the page for 3-6 months-he buys with an expectation of a strong bounce in a bear mkt–or if he’s really lucky, catching bottom tick and a new bull mkt…

but how do u take a stab with minimal risk…? let’s take SLV fer instance @ $14.42-say ya buy 10K shares at $142,420 and by the end of just today it’s $14–yer out $2400…[why SLV and not NUGT, u may ask–here’s why=if gold goes silver will go–and NUGT call options are waaaaay more expensive]

on the premise that u expect G to rally out of this hole and not just hold in this area for months, u can buy 100 slv Sept $16 call options for $1500–that way u have a 10,000 share exposure just in case-a bit out of the money, true-but not way out-but why buy closer and increase your total risk? if u set a mental stop loss at 50%, then u’re out only $750 and commissions-Sheeeet! That’s Saturday night boogie money! …and even if u just ride it out, $1500 isn’t the end of the world–and 60 calendar days till expiration in trading is an eternity-lots can happen….

Personally I expect G&S to break to new lows and am not buying any long side exposure–even for a “what if” trade-but for anyone with heavy short side exposure this could be a cheap partial hedge–or just for anyone who fancies themselves a contrarian–DYOD

drb2 @ 11:26 Still here and not capitulating.

Posted by Equisetum @ 11:42 on July 17, 2015  

PM equity holdings for which we do not plan to capitulate remain as they have for quite some time now: Silver Wheaton, McEwen, Sandstorm, American Silver, Endeavour Silver, First Majestic, and Lakeshore.

p.s. Buy physical silver. Cheers. Equiz.

drb2

Posted by Buygold @ 11:38 on July 17, 2015  

yeah, I think that’s true but let’s not forget, the players that are left are entities that can stay short without ever having to cover their positions.

I’ve got to step out for awhile, can’t take this shit anymore.

doom & gloom abounds

Posted by treefrog @ 11:36 on July 17, 2015  

it’s always darkest before the dawn.  always?  yes, always.

Buygold – RE: I’m not seeing any sign of capitulation. Volume isn’t great

Posted by drb2 @ 11:26 on July 17, 2015  

Could it be that 4 horrible years have driven all but a very few from the sector?

Those that remain are probably here on the forum.

Sometimes we go hours without a post.  kinda like squeezing blood from a turnip – not many left to capitulate.

Open Letter From Paris Climate Change Conference Participant Sounds The Alarm

Posted by silverngold @ 11:11 on July 17, 2015  

Fellow Activists,

This is an article/e-mail that I wrote after attending the “Our Common Future Under Climate Change Meeting” last week in Paris France. As discussed in the article, geoengineering is the main catalyst in the climate change agenda and must be addressed in this context to be stopped. A special thanks to all of the supporters who made this a reality for myself and the other activists who attended. Please take a moment to read as this is essential in our efforts in getting geoengineering stopped. Feel free to share with your audience as this is essential.
Thanks again and please, “Keep looking up!!!!!”

Michael J. Murphy
www.whyintheworldaretheyspraying.com

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drb2

Posted by Buygold @ 10:56 on July 17, 2015  

Concur with you about sentiment – ditto.

Here’s the thing that bothers me. I’m not seeing any sign of capitulation. Volume isn’t great, no sign of a reversal anywhere. It looks like sentiment is about to get a whole lot worse.

That China holdings news was about the worst thing that could have happened, that, and of course the Greece thing that was supposed to topple the derivative market and cause chaos was a joke.

I don’t see a bottom anywhere.

Something has Changed

Posted by Auandag @ 10:53 on July 17, 2015  

Every so often they would let PMs rise, to harvest a new batch of suckers. Rinse, repeat. Rinse,repeat. Now PMs are relentlessly being ground down. To what end?

Remember when experts said sell $US and buy Cando!

Posted by Auandag @ 10:44 on July 17, 2015  

How is that working out for you?

Armstrong comments

Posted by drb2 @ 10:40 on July 17, 2015  

Armstrong says: ” At the bottom, the opposite unfolds for everyone will be short. They will pile on looking for $600 gold and will count their profits upon entering the trade. They become the fuel to send the market higher for it always begins with a short-cover rally;…….. So yes, the majority must always be wrong. That is how highs and lows are established. Going into the low, the vast majority of analysts will flip to bearish”

 

Murphy says “sentiment is as low as ever”

 

I’m inclined to agree with Murphy.  I know I am as disgusted as I have even been.  and I am a true believer.  If we are not at the rock bottom, we are close.  When the last Bull sells there is no where to go but up.

R640

Posted by Buygold @ 10:11 on July 17, 2015  

He’s not wrong.

What did you post about Murph last night? “Sentiment is as bad as I’ve ever seen it and understandably so”?

No shit Bill.

P.S.–granted that manipulation is real-and I believe it is-why have I been fighting city hall all these yrs

Posted by Richard640 @ 10:07 on July 17, 2015  

Boo Hoo! I SHOULDA  bought priceline for $2 and held….I COULDA been a contender….I WOULDA….etc etc

The painful truth about gold manipulation-tell me–PLEASE!! Where he is wrong-cause I feel like a chump.

Posted by Richard640 @ 10:03 on July 17, 2015  

So Who is Still Long in Gold?

Posted on July 17, 2015 by Martin Armstrong

As you move into a major low, it is not about who is still long, it is who is short. As gold capitulates and spirals lower, the gold promoters are running out of nonsense to justify it rising while the world is declining. What happens is two aspects. Those who have been long lose their shirt, pants, house, wife, kids, the car, and the dog. The buy-every-dip-average-in advice becomes toxic, just as it did during the Great Depression in stocks – hold now for new highs by year-end is always the prediction. So yes, the investors married to the trade typically lose everything and when the cycle changes, they likely will not buy again unless new highs come into play for they will say, “No thanks, been there done that.” Any rational person can analyze the sales-pitch about fiat and hyperinflation and see that they existed for 19 years as gold declined. Such fundamental analysis scenarios always crumble to dust and fall to the ground for they are never true to the history of events.

At the top, the majority is long and they become the fuel to make any market crash and burn. Shorts and conspiracies do not force markets to decline; it is always the LONGS themselves. Someone whom is long sells because he cannot hold and each has a different pain threshold. The market crashes for there is no bid. It takes courage to try to catch a falling knife. Again, this applies to ALL markets.

At the bottom, the opposite unfolds for everyone will be short. They will pile on looking for $600 gold and will count their profits upon entering the trade. They become the fuel to send the market higher for it always begins with a short-cover rally; people continually try to sell each rally, looking for that new low, just as the people at the top remain convinced that a decline would follow with new highs.

So yes, the majority must always be wrong. That is how highs and lows are established. Going into the low, the vast majority of analysts will flip to bearish. Even the gold promoters will fade for nobody will listen to them again. Look, in 2011 when we warned gold would crash to under $1,000, every name in the book was hurled at us. Gold promoters refused to interview us or report the forecast. Many spent hours trying to say that they were right and we would be dead wrong. It was always casted as a war against fiat. Every excuse from no gold in Fort Knox, to market manipulation by banks, to China would be a real market and make its currency backed by gold as Shanghai destroyed paper gold. The scenarios were endless, but never realistic. Not one stitch of proof exists to point to such a scenario ever taking place in history. Yet they seriously hurt the market and ruined the financial future of many innocent people who trusted them.

ONLY when the majority becomes bearish at the low do we reach that sweet spot, and it becomes time for a reversal of fortune. Then on the initial rally out of the ashes, nobody will believe it. Just look at Barron’s and how they reported our forecast back in 2011, stating that the stock market would make new highs. They did not believe that we would be correct because the majority was looking for new lows. When we predicted that the stock market would exceed the 2007 high, many laughed at us, just as they did when we predicted that the gold crash would unfold for 3 to 5 years.

 

Gold Train

Posted by Maya @ 9:35 on July 17, 2015  

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I guess we are not out of the woods, yet.  The Royal Canadian Pacific “Beaver” cuts through the woods at Golden, BC.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=537958

Scruffy

Posted by Buygold @ 9:11 on July 17, 2015  

I’m surprised we’re not down $100 on the China holdings report. That sets any hope of gold going anywhere anytime soon by years. I guess this is what the share prices have been telling us all along.

God, I regret the day I ever touched the internet.

Wait, what????

Posted by Buygold @ 8:38 on July 17, 2015  

China gold holdings only 1600 tons?

I remember people speculating they had 20K tons. This makes no sense to me. No wonder gold is going nowhere.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-17/china-increases-gold-holdings-57-one-month-first-official-update-2009

From a Zero Hedge discussion today

Posted by Richard640 @ 8:36 on July 17, 2015  

silver_stacker

Everyone who follows precious metals knows that this new number is bullshit. The worlds leading gold experts have been estimating that China’s gold holdings to be in the 10,000 to 30,000 metric tons range. It’s been long believed that when China reports their true gold holdings that the price of gold will skyrocket thru the roof because it will expose the fact that all of that gold flowed from western central banks and there is no gold left in the U.S. It’s pure math, I just read yesterday that between Russia, India, and China, they have been buying up more than the annual world mine production of gold. Where is the gold purchased from the rest of the world coming? It’s pure math. This would expose the fraud. Obviously China is not done aquiring more gold at western suppressed prices below production costs. When they can’t get any more gold and they report their true holdings…it’s game over!

A82EBA

Yes, a lot. Great point.

On May 29 I bought ten 1oz rounds at spot price $16.70 and the check I wrote was $107.

Today, at spot $15 (10% lower) the total is $177 (65% higher)

 

Bokkenrijder

Look at the timing: the Chinese stock market is selling off, the Chinese housing bubble is deflating and ‘growth’ (7% according to the Chinese themselves, haha!) is coming to a standstill.

IMHO this is purely a domestic move in order to brainwash the Chinese people to have confidence in their central planners. “Don’t worry about stocks and housprices: your government knows what it’s doing and has increased it’s gold reserves.” As an unwelcome side effect however, the Chinese people will probably start to copy their government and buy more gold which will drive up prices.

So by releasing this ‘official’ number, the Chinese government may have shot itself in the foot if they want to continue to accumulate gold at relatively low prices.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-17/china-increases-gold-holdings-57-one-month-first-official-update-2009

The Real Story behind the Wizard of Oz (Siver & Gold)

Posted by Ororeef @ 1:25 on July 17, 2015  

http://www.redemptionservice.com/contents/wizard_of_oz.asp

Looks Like the Pope

Posted by Ororeef @ 1:21 on July 17, 2015  

is re leaving the Pres of  US Gold  !    Notice he Holds with TWO hands as it slips from Oblablas hands .

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