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You are right he was hung from a tree or that how they described it. Is a piece of wood a tree and hung by what. Because of that some Christians won’t wear a cross. Release of bilirubin can be faster though than what they said.

I was aware of brutality so passed a bit of it and didn’t want to see a replay toward the end  the finding of the light which I wasn’t familiar with.

I can’t say one way or another. The way they treated people was horrendous.

Your right though getting past if that was Jesus or not.

I’ve had the most wonderful life except when I didn’t listen and got “off my path”, and then I have been severely “SPANKED” until I got back to doing what I am here for….and that is to always guide others toward that LIGHT of truth and integrity which is God….and following that light has given me the  life I named Silverngold!

Or at least, the body wasn’t that of Jesus.

Firstly, it is most unlikely that Pilate scourged Him that much. Pilate didn’t want Him killed, he wanted to release Jesus and did everything he could to encourage Him to proclaim His innocence. Pilate had been told by his wife that she had been warned in a dream that he should have nothing to do with this man. Pilate had to give Jesus a ritual scourging before releasing Him to the crowd but it isn’t realistic to expect him to inflict such a beating. The roman soldiers didn’t scourge Him at all, they mocked Him, slapped His face with the palms of their hands and beat his head with a reed.

Secondly He did not suffer over a 24 to 36 hour period for the bilirubin effect to take place, and in any case wasn’t in a state of shock, as He gave a small sermon to a group of women as He carried the cross up to Golgotha. He also spoke to one of the other criminals on the cross promising him a place in heaven.

Thirdly, there is no mention anywhere in the Bible, in prophecies or the NT, that he was nailed to the cross. There are two references in Acts to Him being hung from the tree (cross), not nailed to it. John 19:37 pretty much ends the argument – He hadn’t been pierced before He died, so had to be pierced by a spear so that the prophecy in Zech 12:10 would be fulfilled.

All these myths and legends distract people from the truth, which is that He died for our sins, that it was our sins that took Him to the cross and essentially killed Him. See Matt 26:37-38, the weight of our sins was beginning to crush His soul even unto death before He had been arrested. That’s what you need to believe, along with the fact that He returned to life on the Sunday. You don’t need to believe in shrouds, or bloody, sado-masochistic thrashings, nails or whatever. These are totally unscriptural distractions to what is really important, which is that by His sacrifice anyone who believes in Him will have eternal life.

But looking at your link, there were more infections (although so few as to be statistically insignificant) in the more rigorous cohort, where they replaced masks after each operation rather than wearing them all day.

“Four hundred and eighty-eight cases were reviewed: 240 in the pre-COVID-19 cohort and 248 in the extended surgical mask use cohort. Three SSIs were identified in the 2019 cohort, and two in the 2020 cohort.”

Again, a piddly little sample compared to Orr’s of a thousand in each cohort. Although ironically if it shows anything it supports his numbers – the cleaner the masks, the more the infection.

“All the cases performed from August 2019 through October 2019 were performed under extant hospital policy which required replacement of surgical masks after every case for all operating room personnel, including the operating surgeons and trainees. In contrast, all the cases performed from August 2020 through October 2020 used the modified hospital and operating room policy restricting surgical mask use to one mask for each operative personnel, per day, unless soiled.”

Isn’t that something!

Hip surgery.

I found this in my files because I was working with pediatrics during COVID a few yrs back.

Also if your referring to my daughter surgery. The kind of bacteria they found after a culture was to put it graphically the kind you get from someone wiping their arse and not washing their hands properly. A tough one as it’s limited in antibiotics ” I’m trying to translate’ that would work. The bug is resistant to most.

Here you go but if you have your mind set it probably won’t do any good.

Note my daughter had one of the top surgeons chosen for this intense multi fracture surgery. The surgery was perfect and able to save her leg and hands. Her back and other bones were also fractured. I don’t think it was him. However you can have genus surgeons but sometimes when it comes to complications and wound care they can be a bit clueless sometimes and luckily for my daughter I was one according to the doctors top nurses they let me write my own orders  and zero complaints after years of any client wound care nurse.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8524207/

He was willing to die but should he of had to? He knew he had to. Thats what it would take. It also proves how evil people have become and the hypocrisy and outright evil amongst many who claimed to be holy. What must God have in store for them.

Was the Shroud that of Jesus.

Oh yeah, I ran into another nurse who was treated as a child too in a medical hospital. Veterans her experience what worse even though she didn’t get two shots of a sedative or three shots in a open wound which was scary for a kid and painful. It was worse. The doctor back then as we were the same age group ordered a alcohol pack to a dog bite on her face. Alcohol and not the kind you drink. She didn’t have a good nurse and told her if she doesn’t stop screaming from the pain she was going to put her in the closet. She put her in the closet. Military hospitals back then. Made me miss my country doctor in Wisconsin although I’m a regular hospital ER back then I needed sutures from a fall at age 4 on my chin and the doctor decided it would be pretty quick and not numb the site. I remember my parents arguing with him about it and left the room, they couldn’t watch. It wasn’t as fast as he thought. Without my parents and worrying about getting in trouble it was on. It took 7 of them to hold me still.

The treatments back then, either way getting cut by a old rusty object, in river like that no less. At least it’s a cold river. Your lucky you have a foot. It may have been salt water back then that they soaked your foot in. They used iodine too and Mercurochrome, remember that. Not that I would have been old enough to be a nurse but a child then but I stepped on something too, but in the ocean. Some idiots broken beer bottle. I was medically covered but wound up in a military hospital. Those stories you hear from back in those days, including pain, their true.  I was lucky I had a nurse with more common sense than the doctor if he would of overdosed me on sedatives when I was just shaking from the cold after swimming then going into a cold room and maybe a bit of blood loss and only needed a blanket. I needed stitches and cut a nerve and that’s where he put the needle in. I had to soak my foot in salt water. Salt water has some benefits though say if you had a infection where puss or even blood poisoning where you see the veins turn red with a warm salty compress to draw it out although you still need antibiotics.

If that’s what you believe and want to die on that hill so be it. There are thousands of studies. Take it up with them. I’m particularly not interested. There’s many other things to thing about. Plus how can they guarantee that what the patients got came from surgery or other issues.

I’ve had my own health experiences in Mercy Hospital in Sacramento at age 17; 6 weeks on my back with my foot in a plastic bag full of Normal Saline and ??? to kill the infection that had developed from the wound across the top of my foot. I could wiggle my toes and watch all the tendons flex in the wound that went all the way across the top of my foot but luckily did not sever any of those 5  exposed tendons.

I had been swimming in the American River about a month before when a small plane flew over and they were yelling “the body, the body” and pointing to a small island in the river  every time they made a low pass over the river. A man had drowned in the river the day before and had not been found yet, but they had spotted him from the air and I was close and could see his body…. so I was swimming across to the body when my foot struck something on the bottom of the river which turned out to be an old rusty piece of corrugated roofing tin that had been dumped into the river.  My foot went instantly numb and when I looked was bleeding profusely so I abandoned what I was doing and got out of the river and limped to where some friends were sitting. They wrapped my foot up and took me to a doctor who took many stitches in it and said if it doesn’t get infected it should heal okay….but it DID get infected, swelled up and all the stitches ripped out, and I ended up as described above.

I was released from the hospital with a healing open “trough” across the top of my foot and instructions to keep it clean by pouring if full of Hydrogen Peroxide morning and night, letting it foam, and then gently wiping it out with sterile gauze and wrapping it up until it was completely healed. Otherwise I was free to use it again…..but after 6 weeks on my back in the hospital I was hardly able to walk …… but it was Pheasant Hunting Season so I borrowed a 12 guage shotgun and walked the nearby open fields hunting Pheasants….and walked myself back to health.

Turned out that since I was still only 17, all that huge doctor and hospital bill was covered by my stepdad’s carpenters insurance, even though I was no longer living at home.  SNG

Monash, for example, consists of three tiny studies. Why did it not include Orr’s data? Their own conclusion:

“The quality of the studies we found was low overall.”

How is Orr’s research not scientific? Thousands of operations over six month periods?

On Epstein, Trump might be going after a bigger fish. It’s a speculation but I fear not to mention so you’ll have to watch it.

Eggs being the new gold for parents, people are getting creative and dying potatoes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/03/dining/easter-eggs-potatoes.html

Thanks for the post on Trump reading the Bible.

BTW not quite in the groove on discussing all the studies on masks right now or ever because it would require a lot of factors and there’s been quite a few including with Covid. One of the reasons was costs.

But since you took the time after reading on Easter this year and if there’s a way to not need masks at times I’m all for it cuz there not good for the ones wearing them either but none the less currently nonconclusive in a surgery theater.

Perhaps you should start looking for those studies then .

Unless surgeons can produce studies to refute Orr’s data they should be sued for negligence, or struck off, for operating with masks.

Get your money out to where? Then goes back to others things or history. Back to Michael Pinto which will be PMs. . I know what Simon should say, Bitcoin. I’m talking about transaction money or cashable saving. What is he saying people cash in their stocks or retirement funds? We heard that before. Nothing about resistance so makes me wonder.

Interview Croatia: Get Your Money Out Before It’s Too Late

Yeah she has that unstoppable Semper Fi on her dad’s side. Not just anesthesia that can affect everyone differently plus they might not remember the initial pain plus she was heavily medicated for pain plus the trauma. In her case she couldn’t be bearing any weight on her arms hands or leg for awhile.

Then going all though that to find her hardware in the leg was infected plus having to go back in for tissue injury or I sent her back recognizing cellulitis was forming and area that looked like deep tissue injury which it was. A different doctor opened up the area to see pus coming out of a screw in her tibia then another. Removed them and used antibiotics. I told my daughter to ask her to get cultures and not mess around and she said she definitely was. Then she had a bit of trouble with the corner of the flap. She said it was getting deeper. So after awhile if getting deeper  she had me treat it and I showed her this is sluff and causing it to tunnel because it’s killing granulation tissue preventing it to grow , cleaned it up and told her she needed a wound vac and will help draw the antibiotics to it and circulation to heal it too. First they thought it wasn’t sluff them realized it was or something  She went back and saw her first surgeon and he put a temp type wound vac in on and set it for 7 days and it needed two weeks at least to granulate tissue back up. Well after 7 days I didn’t know about it or the other doctor it stopped plus she was out of antibiotics.

So that fluid has no where to escape making it a closed dirty wound situation and I had a fit when she told me because she said her leg was starting to smell and found out why. I told her to go right  back and have them take it off and clean that wound and replace the vac in and get back on antibiotics now.  She talked to the other doctor who didn’t know and told her to take it off her in the shower and rinse it off and she’ll see her the next day. I gave her silver gel on hand so she used that to keep it moist which granulating wound needs. They do everything old school as they have chemical de breeders too that don’t harm healthy tissue and keep the granulating tissue moist and alive. They use wet to dry which then can harm the healthy tissue as it dries and pulled off and drag everything out which can result in infections too. So the wound was half filled with tissue  from the vac but apparently didn’t have more portable  on hand so using the wet to dry. I told her they could of admitted her for another week in with a hospital vac  and healed that up. At least they got her more antibiotics for the osteomyelitis still there too That was a month ago and still being treated now for that wound that should of been resolved Cognitive dissonance going on. She saw the other doctor again too and he said the X-rays looked good and the plates weren’t ready to come out yet. Hello!! I told her they can replace them! I don’t know what’s up less they don’t want to show the hardware was contaminated. Compliance is good on one end, not on the other. She needs to get a second opinion .out of their group.  It could result it losing her leg, is resulting in chronic osteo and could cause sepsis. She should be all healed by now.